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Hello Quakers!
Explanation of Losers Bracket All clans that lose their primary playoff game will be moved down to Losers Bracket, where you will have the chance to climb all the way to fight in the Bronze game (3rd place game). The losers of the semi finals games, will face eachother in a fight best of 3. The winner of that fight goes directly to Bronze game. The loser of that game will then face the winning clan of Losers Bracket. And self-explanatory, the winner of that game takes a place in the Bronze game, the Bronze game will be fought over best of 5 maps. Down below you have a more detailed look at how the Losers Bracket system is thought to work out, I just hope this freaking page can handle this ;) 1. Group ----------- L#01-#02 L#05-#06 L#09-#10 L#13-#14 Winners face eachother. Winner of that game decides who goes through to next game. 2. Group ----------- L#03-#04 L#07-#08 L#11-#12 L#15-#16 Winners fight eachother, winner of that game goes through. 3. Group ----------- L#17-#18 L#19-#20 L#21-#22 L#23-#24 Winner fights winner of round 1. L#25-#26 vs L#27-#28 Winner goes to Bronze game (3rd place game). Loser plays winner of Losers Bracket. Winning clan gets to play in the Bronze game. Maps The following maps will be used in the NQR 6 playoffs; DM3, DM2, E1M2, CMT4 & E2M2TDM. The same rules apply for decider maps as it does in regular season. Here's a rules refresher from rules page concerning this issue; "Best of 3: If the result is 1-1 after two maps have been played, a decider map will be required. If the same map has been played both first maps the decider will be that map as well. Else a map will be agreed upon between the teams, or selected by the throw away system (a team is chosen randomly to throw first map). Example: team1 picks CMT4, teams2 picks DM3 - a decider map will be picked from DM2 E1M2 E2M2TDM. Team1 is chosen randomly to throw away first map. Team1 throws away DM2, team2 throws away E1M2, E2M2TDM will be played as decider." Playoff Tree / Job aplication Well, to be honest we really are in trouble considering the playoff tree. Kryten our beloved Coder, has IRL issues he needs to tend to, and we wish him GL with those. But this get's us in a very uncomfortable situation, due to the fact that the Playoff tree is not done, and playoffs is close! Basicly, we are throwing out an job aplication here, "Do you know PHP-Coding?", "Want to help the Crew?". "Want to work in a stressful enveiroment, no pay and so on?". If you answered yes on all the above questions then please contact Legio or any of the other admins in NQR Crew. Final Words The last few days, has been kind a like when shit hits a fan. We did these adjustments, considering that many clans was idle/got kicked out from the league. And belive it or not, we did it with the best of intentions. When first faced with the storm of arguments, questions and whining. We defended our decision, we had been working on a soloution for some time and was pleased with the result we'd come up with. After awhile, we said to our selves, "Ok let's take a step back and really try to understand why all this critisism is comming towards us". Well we did, and i ordered up a NQR Crew meeting to adress the issue about the playoff system. We had some discussion back and forth, what do to about this, and we finally decided upon the idea of Qualifiers, as earlier posted by a player on the News comments. Now for the love of god, let's concentrate on the games that still needs to be played and the upcomming playoffs that lay ahead of us :)! And as a fellow admin would've said, "STRENGHT AND HONOR TO ALL OF YOU!". // The NQR Crew. 40 comments. |
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Althought i didn't feel the last system was all that wrong, this one is fine by me. Great job in listening to the players and coming up with this so fast. |
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Thanks for the compromise. Div1 11th vs Div2 6th --> Q1 Div1 12th vs Div2 5th --> Q2 Div1 13th vs Div2 4th --> Q3 Div1 14th vs Div2 3rd --> Q4 should be the other way round really (so div1 14th would play div1 1st if they win their prelim-playoff game vs the div2 clan), but at least there is no major flaws now. Well done :) |
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You guys are doing a great job! All hail the NQR admins! |
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ht, of course it should. they have made exactly the same mistakes in the loser bracket. |
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Hm, i'll have a look on that. I'll get back to you on that :), time for a movie with GF 8)! |
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omg! time to start playing qw again?!?!? :D |
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how come no qualifiers for silver/bronze cup? |
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You didnt whine enough? Seriously though. I dont know the skill level of div3-div5. But I can imagine its a lot closer between top 8 div4 and top 8 div5 than between top 8 div1 and top 8 div2 for example. Ultimately its lack of whine that has cost you though. |
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I really dont understand how first 2 clans from div4 are supposed to win vs middle div2 clans? We for example played a prac vs paranoia, who will be our first opponent, and got rped on our map. Maybe games between neighbour divs [like 3 and 4, 2 and 3]? |
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| dalilama sug kuk | ||||
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i feel very sorry for those teams in div 2/3/4 that will miss out on a playoff spot at the expense of a team from a division below us. i can't speak for the rest, but division 4 is very closely matched and i'd say that the top 14 or so are stronger than most of the top 8 in division 5. |
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Gaz: Have you even seen a match between top 8 of div 5 lately? If you had you wouldn't have said this: "the top 14 or so are stronger than most of the top 8 in division 5" |
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Credits to the crew for saving NQR this season. Although I would be lying if I said I expceted less, considering the outlines for playoffs previously posted. Having that said I can't help but repeating myself here from the other newspost comment thread. Maybe it hasn't been debated yet cause it's not the right timing, I'd just like to have players (and admins) keep it in mind. ".. I think it's time we came to terms with the fact that we cannot keep trying to run this kind of arrangement. Bring back Villains with added top quality coverage where we can really try the live commentary/qizmo cam systems to it's full capacity. Experiement with interviews, playerprofiles clanprofiles and match analisys? And finally, perhaps we should simply - simplify NQR (AM anyone?). Clanbase run ladder games, are there any playoffs there of some sort? Would a new version of NQR (new page without the bugs, better and easier match reporting/demo uploading and better stats) be enough to provide entertainment for clans throughout the skill level spectrum? .." Anyways, it wasn't the last time I brought that up, although perhaps I should elaborate on this matter in a column for a more appropriate debate on this subject. |
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Yes, you're right. NQR started out as the simple league for everyone who wanted to play some QW. Now with Villains/Smackdown gone it has to be the league for everyone interested in QW AND to find out who's the best. It would be indeed best to get a league like Villains back but try to find someone who would like to run it ;) NQR guys do a great job at what they do, it certainly isn't easy to run a league with so many clans and some of them are real newbies who have to be taken special care of (explaining rules, helping set up clients etc). |
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no zilv but i've played against many of the clans in the top 8. my clan fips will probably finish 8th or 9th and our strongest 4 is still too good for most of div 5. |
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but as for villains-style thing, it would put off the weaker teams. nqr provides lots of matches against similarly skilled opposition which is ideal. the number of clans willing to be a 4th seed of a group stage and lose 3 times (and then not play again) is far less than that of the current nqr div 4/5. |
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i'll hope that this kinda solution and playoffs fixing solves many clans problems and also i'd like to thank the crew too :> |
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| lol oosi | ||||
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| SKK reports 4 playoffs! | ||||
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now when HT is quiet, we maybe can look forward to the funny playoffs. Well done nqr crew |
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Once again a good decision by the crew. |
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error why im lol plz u hate me? ;/ well, i suck, so i understand u hate me |
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omg oosi thanks himself! what an ego! :( |
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Strife: since when did the crew NOT make a good decision for you? :) |
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Well done by the crew. Keep it up! I think this kind of playoff system is just what NQR needs. NQR shouldn't be all about playoffs, but they're still nice since they bring the exitment up towards the end, where it's usually cooled down a bit. Concerning the future I would say I think NQR should stay pretty much the way it is. Of course a better website is badly needed, as we all know. Imo AM is not an alternative to NQR, but it's always nice with more leagues. |
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Link: when they removed all the games from clans that were removed? :) |
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An ?ber league would be nice! And make nqr more simple yes, winners of one div move up to next and the loosers move down. |
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Hagge: Oosi weren't involved in playoff changes..so he's not an ego :) Forsberg: Haven't you read about the disadvantages we've mentioned if we use a promotion/relegation style? Imagine a div 3 clan that ends up at last spot. During summer they recruit elite player Forsberg ;) and Paraflax. Is it appropriate that this clan still should be placed in div 4 after that..don't think so! They rather belong in div 2 in that case. This is an example why such a system don't work. |
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jippie, give us playoffs! I sure hope EARTHQUAKE wins! They will win cmt4 for sure and then sr-spawn home dm2 and take last win on e2m2tdm.kenya. NO CLAN CAN OPPOSE THEM, not even if gatugeng had been in the playoffs :/// |
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Zkilfing, a new page is under construction :)! And btw is there anyone out here that can help us out with playoff tree?! |
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legio try www.compomaster.com for a java solution if you need to resort to it :P and please answer my question, why no qualifiers for silver/bronze? |
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| horatio: HAHA =) | ||||
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Maniacs where smeared by Havana Affairs quadrocket.... |
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Legio: I know, but it's been "under construction" for what, years? :) And as things look I think gaz solution (or a similar) is the way to do it (tm). A much too hasty solution will probably only results in lots of annoying bugs and other problems. And as for the regulation issue: as things are atm, it wouldn't work, the seasons are still too long, especially with playoffs. But, if we had other leagues that took care of that we could do without playoffs in nqr and the seasons would be shorter. With shorter seasons clans wouldn't be placed in the wrong divs for all too long. And, since new clans form and old clans disappear it could be a possibility to let new clans take old clans spots, so a new div1-clan don't have to climb all the way from div5. This COULD also apply to clans recruiting new players, but imo it should only be used in exceptional cases. But I do agree that there are a lot of bad things about this system, but at least we don't have to complain to clans, and admins, over clans placed in the wrong div, which is quite obviously the case each season. Not to meantion that the admins would get a lot less work before each season, which means less idle time between seasons (playoffs also contribute to idle time for clans that don't qualify, or gets beaten early). |
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ZklifinG. Just try to do the math. How many teams and how many games pr week you would demand of each team. We have 90 teams last 2 seasons to signup. And we set it to 2 match pr week. Lets say you wan't to reduce a season to 2 months, which sounds good to me (2 seasons like that would equal 1 regular nqr season lie we have now). 2 months is 8 weeks so 2 x 8 = 16. 90/16 = 5.625 which means either we have 6 divisions, or only take in so it fits with 5. Imo that is very doable. |
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Ok I'm very tired =D it is 90 / 17 (cause you can't face yourself, so 16 games means 17 in one division). so that is 5.2 and you can then remove the 0.2 clans and you have a complete setup =) And then skip the playoffs and run only back to back leagues with relegation stuff. |
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Sounds good to me. Lets hope that the 0.2 are the inactive clans, and not the active though. |
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