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Season schedule spring 2004
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| Eid...Hagge, getting old? :( | ||||
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http://www.nqr.nu/signup.php
"Remember your map vote must be either E2M2TDM or E3M6TDM" maybe should edit that? |
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maybe you should read the newspost (dumwit): We are open for signups now and you can signup here but remember e3m7tdm IS included in map voting even if the signup page says otherwise (ill get this changed asap). |
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lite mastigt med division2 f?r oss skulle jag tro.... |
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looks nice... tho i would rather see e3m6tdm/e2m2tdm instead of cmt4/e3m6tdm or e2m2tdm but i guess u cant have everything only eq plays cmt4 in our div anyway so its np... or maybe slackers. |
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New system looks really nice! well done! why dont let us vote for all new maps? (from the pool u pick), i agree with drej, i also like all 3 tdm maps before cmt4, tho that just because i suck at cmt*. But a vote from (cmt4,e2m2tdm,e3m6tdm,e3m7tdm,*,*) would be nice, tho to late now perhaps. Playoff system looks really good tho! |
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| cmt4 forever! | ||||
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first of all, the new playoffs system looks awesome. This is exactly the type of system that would provide the community with plenty of exciting matches as well as certain teams get to show off their skills by playing teams from a higher/lower division. secondly, great initiative to include e3m7tdm which is indeed a good map. In my opinion I cannot see why dm2/dm3/e1m2/cmt4/e2m2tdm/e3m6tdm/e3m7tdm can be included all at once, but I would suggest that you could choose cmt4 as an alternative as well, this way if it makes it way into the map pool one would know that people actually preferred to play cmt4 rather than lets say e3m7tdm. |
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I presume that t#9 is going to play versus t#24 and t#10 versus t#23 and so forth. However I dont get the tournament brackets. Shouldnt it be 1vs8 4vs5 on one side and 2vs7 3vs6 on the lower side? That way the number one seed gets the easiest game and the number two seed gets the second easiest game and so forth. As it stands now the number 3 and 4 seeds have an easier bracket. |
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| it is a sexy system, indeed:) | ||||
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btw is e2m7tdm even under consideration, its really neat |
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I wonder if those clans voting for e2m2tdm have actually tried it? I just did, and it's really REALLY bad 4on4 map imo :) it feels bad, it plays bad, and it's so hard doing tp on it |
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Dag told me its the best 4on4 map he have ever played, even better than tb3, that was his first impression. And Paradoks' first impression is that it fucking sucks. Me? I got no further comment, I designed the shit. But you have to ask your self why you bring it in to NQR6 if you think it is REALLY really bad. The leadership in NQR only gets better and better, changing opinions all the time. Sigh...sorry for my useless shit, but this is a joke :| |
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Ye, it's an awful map, too bad it will get in there on old merits. It's too small, no place to stock up for the team that's down, the teleporter into RL makes it easier for the downed team to take over it, but makes it almost impossible to hold vs the RA-guys. The YA in water is dumb, it should be GA there and YA at LG IMO, but I can see the reasoning for it, the rl-camper has to take a dive for it, unfortunately you've blocked of the LG ->mega-> new water-YA area route and thus making it a lot harder to get a discharger down there. The new RA-Quad area just seems badly designed, I can't put my finger on it but it's just as if you've sprinkled new access to area "just because". These are just my first impressions from a few specs and a mixgame.... but I can see why LA likes it since it's real easy to lock down for an "individual-skill"-team such as LA (RL+LG and RA for most of the quadwielders). |
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Ah, I had more to say: none of theese things I mentioned above are bad on their own, (e.g, see DM2 which is also "too small", but that map is clearly divided in two halves and has lots and lots of armour, it's a decent map despite the claustrophobia) but put all these small things together... they amplify each other and pull the map down in the basement. Indeed, it's too bad E2M2TDM in all likelyhood will get into NQR on E2M2's Smackdown merits.......... Link, I'm not slaggin' you on principle, for example my first impressions of E3M3TDM and E3M6TDM are a lot better. :p |
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There is one important point missing in the cmt and tdm maps. Variety. Every new map should be DIFFERENT, but somehow they all seem to get more and more the same based on what someone think is a good tp map. CMT project had a couple ok maps but the TDM project seems a total failure. |
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e3m6tdm is teh sex...can't wait to see cmf on that map...hi ho silver! |
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You can go from anywhere on the map to anywhere else in matter of seconds.. Too many interconncetions binding whole map. It's no telling where teammates or enemies are or are coming from. No fun playing when you have no feeling of teamplay.... The original version of this map is much better - and even that I didn't think would hold up in tournaments. But yeah - one has to ask oneself why I included e2m2tdm in map pool when I think it's such a horrid map. I guess I weren't quite aware of the consequence it would have and legio/icce really liked it. On the other hand I really like e3m6tdm and e3m7tdm. If we would have had more time to announce a specific map pool people would also have had more time to practice them - then I'm sure we wouldn't see so many votes on e2m2tdm. We almost broke a game last night cause everyone thought it sucked =) GG! I guess we would have been better off simply dictating what maps should be used. But oh well. Considering it all the vast majority of the map pool are great maps, the system seems to be accepted so I see a great deal of matches laying ahead... |
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I like e3m6tdm a lot more too but I guess we cant all be happy. |
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exmy maps are so small, i mean small corridors, small rooms. You don't have that problem on cmt maps. Let'see hard to say, i think tdm maps are better than original ones, but not as good as cmt maps. :E |
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Exactly Para, I argued the smallness and interconnecton with akke the other day, where he felt it enabled the down team to attack from anywhere, I felt it only added to the upper teams ability to _attack_ from anywhere, there's no "safe" spots to be had (GA+LG is not a position of strenght to work from). |
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we have played vs strong teams on e2m2tdm and we always had a good chance of getting quad or killing a RL enemy.. so yes the map is VERY GOOD! and if you dont believe that we played vs a good team then look at the admortem site (we played LA, enough? k!) Try to play it 4on4 paradoks before u come and complain about it, and more than 2 times plz? so bad to not include all maps so ppl can vote and besides, get some fresh guys from the lower divisions in your choice of what team should be in what division! two straight seasons with faliure wont make u succeed this year either.. give the job to somone that playes all clans and know the skill level of them all!! I suggest 1 guy from fnu, 1 guy from Thangorodrim, 1 from homeboy, 1 from fappers and finaly the nqr admins to help us off course! (btw the playoffs looks cool) |
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Oh ye, you got 39 frags in 20 minutes, that's almost one frag per member every two minutes! |
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yes max rebo, but they had good chances to kill enemy rl :E |
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Nice whining ppl, i wouldnt have it any other way! I dont think you can blame the map if you dont know where your teammates or your enemies are, or where they are coming from: reading messages would be a good tip, and then learn the map would be another good tip. sigh. I have played a lot of mix-games on it, a couple of games with my clan, and seen some demos. This is what happens: The controlling team controls RA, gets Quad, and sweeps RL. Sometimes they they move to LG as well. But the team that gets owned, always seems to get LG GA and MEGA. So many times i did just that, and I end up at GL-WATER, outside RA. In addition to that I many times could move to SNG-MEGA as well, so infact, I ended up with GA, 250hp, LG, GL and SNG. Now I can do 2 things: I can go to quad-stairs in water, and wait for next quad, or I can attack RA. If I also get some teammates to help me, then I would say my chances increases a lot. So then compare this to a dm2 maplock, and ask yourself: would you rather rund around with sg/ssg and ra/ya, trying to take over, or would you rather have what I just told you? Yep, e2m2tdm is much faster from area to area, it speeds up the map even more. The new way to quad made even the butchered FNU steal quads from LA, hell even Sassa stole a Quad from full-map-lock-LA and he owned LA byhimself with quad-rox. Plz give me LA vs HF on this map, and then I want the players reactions after the game. Youre reasonings for saying this map sucks is simply the usual whine: you really dont know the map. But relax, I am not surprised. One thing though: dm2 is the most played 4on4 map after every nqr season. And as long as this map is the most played 4on4 map in qw, then you cant fucking whine on other maps, you are owning yourself. gg. |
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I would rather have dm2 then. At least you know what to do as a team. If your down you protect low and attack ya-large when quad is out. This feels soo much more as FFA - maybe thats why the 'newbies' do so good. And yes as max rebo also says - the team in control has much easier to keep control now. When teams start to get good at the map. You can't really do much with an rl with no armor. and you can control quad-ra-lg pretty good. Oh well.. if it will be voted in and people actually play it - it will get playtested more, which is generally what we want anyway :) |
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Some people deciding what is a good map and what is not, is a bad thing. EOD |
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Ye, like if someone decides that e2m5 and e4m6 are bad maps for 4on4, that is really bad, coz those map are very very fun to play! |
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Just one thing. You cant accept to many maps ok? Ofcourse there are some newbie clans that have their special cmt or exmx maps and want these in the nqr. But if you take in a lot of random maps you cant really see what clan is the best. The maps dont gets old and boring, its like all other sports, the same "map" but different tactics and shit. Bla lblalllba |
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yes link, I totally owned them by my 5 straight quad steals ;)) |
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why did we chose from exmxtdm in the first place? the maps has not been playtested nearly as much as cmt4 for example which I know consider part of tb4. |
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Oh? so now its tb4 =). Are you for real? Why not include some REAL q3/rtcw maps too? No, because they are TOO big and the rooms really sucks for playing qw, just like the badass cmt maps. If you guys REALLY want to see which clan is the best you should stick to tb3, but that?s a bit booring so i guess we?ll have to play some exmytdm and cmt maps. But still, thoose maps are way way way below the standards of dm2/dm3. And why do we play the third map in tb3? ONLY because clan 9 started to play it. If we play exmytdm and cmt maps for like 7 years from now, maybe we can have a map-pool called tb10 or something. But please don?t even think of calling cmt4 one of the big4 because that?s just utter crap right now. |
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seriously, the only really good map from the tb3 is e1m2. |
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What is wrong with cmt4 Horatio? I think it is a great map. Like all maps, including dm2/dm3 it has its flaws but it is still fun to play... In the end it only matters how often a map is played or has been played and not how super elite design it has. |
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The RA in the water is one major flaw. Random FFA style to get it, and the map has huge unusable water areas and the ya/rl/pent area is just one of the lamest places ever seen on a map up today... |
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so water=lame ? but apparently whole map is lame to you. it is not my favourite map but always enjoyed playing 4on4 on it when i had to. can you suggest alternatives (apart from tb3)? |
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Yes in that case water is lame cuz it has no meaning and that part of the maps is just plain ugly. But there are more maps than tb3 that beats cmt4. E1M6, E2M2, E3M7. But thats just personal opinions. What i reacted against was not the map itself and i think it should be played in nqr6 but to call it the fourth in tb4 is just nonsense... |
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QW players are just lazy, or stupid. This is why cmt4 is played more than real good maps as for example cmt2 and cmt5b :) |
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qw players are not lazy link, they are afraid to loose... |
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played e2m2tdm last night. it's fun but it seems like there's very little teamplay about it. the map doesn't have a good flow to it and feels quite random. maybe that will change when it's player a bit more. |
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Horatio: Who cares if it's ugly, it's all about gameplay baby, not asthetics. The water does not "have no meaning" as you put it, it serves as passageways to link square, crates and quad areas. They are not unusuable, they are of tactical importance. For example, you can discharge a foolish quad runner, launch sneak attacks on YA etc by using the underground water tunnels to good effect. If water is lame and has no meaning, surely the LAVA in e1m6 and e3m7 must be even lamer with even less meaning! |
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ah but HT you could use pent to make sneak attacks through lava :P |
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i have nothing further, cmt is just not that fun |
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Hummz.. I will not make any statement about the system since nobody will listen now anyway. :P And the map-pool issue is not worth discussing but I think they made a fairly good decision. |
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Good Point HT :> Actually, get RA, go to LG, and then go to Quad is very common when the chips are down. Horatio just dont like the maps, doesnt mean its a bad map. But you knew that Horatio, you were just whining :D |
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me likes to whine, me is teh happy when i am whining about maps and divs in nqr, i don?t like cmt and i don?t like div3 whine whine whine |
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