| Frontpage |
|
vs. Fired 
vs. Lege Artis 
vs. Apocalypse 2000 
| Overview 040216 | ||||
|
The 6th season of NQR is rolling for two weeks now, so here's the time for a little overview. I don't wanna waste your time, lets just see the facts.
|
||||
|
||||
|
lol first comment, some ppl are getting old |
||||
|
||||
| nice boyzone most active :) | ||||
|
||||
| Nice update | ||||
|
||||
|
gg, except that you failed to comment on #fnu2 ;) |
||||
|
||||
|
wee a newsupdate! a little surprise that cmt4 is almost as popular as tb3. Good to see that a new map is finally accepted by the community. |
||||
|
||||
|
However CMT4 is an "unskilled-just-luck" map -_- |
||||
|
||||
|
i predict tvs will step it up a notch or two now with addition of elec. |
||||
|
||||
|
raaawk and rooooll
var det n?n som sa ? :/ nu jeflar kommer holy:> |
||||
|
||||
| fs is pretty strong now. | ||||
|
||||
|
We (both #fnu2 and #fnu) have played e2m2tdm quite a lot, and selected it for many nqr-games because we've had quite fun with it, and usually won on it as well. But the more I play it the more I feel that it's a lottery-map. But perhaps it's possible to learn the subtle patterns of it as well as TB3 and it will turn out ok again. Just a few thoughts on it. CMT4 I can't say much about since I've only just started to understand it :) |
||||
|
||||
|
e2m2tdm is pretty a-ok - just that the waterlift is furiously irritating! Why oh why isn't it like the one in e1m2? |
||||
|
||||
| I like e2m2tdm sometimes ;> | ||||
|
||||
|
cmt4 isnt accepted, its a lolfagmap |
||||
|
||||
|
Its played nearly as much as e1m2,dm2,dm3. I think its quite unique and fun map. It requires extreme timing by the entire team(quad,ra). |
||||
|
||||
|
The reason cmt4 is played as much as it is now, is that some clans just wanna win, even if it means playing "lolfagmaps". Because fact is, many clans can't be arsed to learn new maps unless they are really spectacular, and cmt4 ehm, really isn't :) So, this is where the other clans see their opportunity, "let's learn this/these maps others don't bother", and they'll get atleast the nice 1 pointers, and maybe even get lucky and win one of the tb3. So please do not draw any conclusion on how good cmt4 is based on the games played on it. |
||||
|
||||
|
Hehe, pretty immature comment from Luny, and quite unexpected I might add. CMT4 is not a new kenya map, it's quite the established custom map on the 4on4 scene and lots of clans really like the map. It was played 53 times last season and with that you have to take into account that it was excluded from any decider games. As mentioed above it is a map that requires and rewards the use of teamplay. I agree that layout and first impressions aren't top notch - it could be much better - but in terms of gameplay it rocks. tbh aren't we pretty used to this by now? mipscale/mipcap for software anyone? How about http://maps.quakeworld.nu/maps/dm3/simpletextures/dm3-1.jpg ? I mean It's not first time something simple and less attractive at first seem like the best sollution - but in case of CMT4 I think it's definitly the best offer for a solid map addition that will stick around for many leagues and tournaments in the future. |
||||
|
||||
|
yes, luny is known for his immature behaviour. I agree with luny that some clans pick cmt4 just becouse they wanna win, like last season SR picked e3m7 vs Qandrane. They did it becouse it is a cool teamplay map? Naah they wanted FRAGRANK! FAPPERS have barely time to play the games, we havent pracced almost at all tb3 maps. Needless to say that if we dont have time to prac tb3, we havent learned the new e2m2_tdm and cmt4. But luckily some clans have learned them and pick it against us becouse they wanna win, maybe we should just give them WO since thats what they are after :) |
||||
|
||||
|
but how can you know if people play it for the gameplay or the willing to win. i can say from my clans (qandrane) behalf that we play it mostly for gameplay, but there is some "wanting to win" in it too. I agree with luny (and mooniz) that you could replace cmt4 with any cmt map and it would get about as much games as cmt4 is getting. |
||||
|
||||
|
Mooniz, stop saying you dont have time to prac tb3. Praccing tb3 for you is not actually praccing tb3, it is praccing QW. You dont need to prac tb3, you need to prac QW. Its like swimming or cycling, you know how these maps work, has nothing to do with your "rusty" aim or movement, so stop using the "dont have time to prac other maps" argument when you it should be "dont have time to prac so much QW", its lol every time you say it :) I think the reason cmt4 is played more is because it is easy to learn, and that combined with the fact that clans like EQ and 4K choose it as homemap + that some oldies knew this map from the old UK leagues, has given this map and advantage, compared to the other cmt maps. When you look at the CMT tourneys, cmt4 was not the most popular map. Why the noob admins of NQR choose to pick cmt4 as the the 4th map of 4on4 qw tdm in the biggest league there is, is still a mystery to me, I guess they just dont know better. For if you got to know the other cmt maps as well as they knew cmt4, maybe they would understand why I still keep shouting about this neverending map issue. |
||||
|
||||
|
e2m2tdm needs the 'secret' waterway from ya/rl to ra/gl! |
||||
|
||||
|
oooooohh noooo the map discussion starts again... :( make a private forum discussion about it but please don't spam all newstopics with it... |
||||
|
||||
|
all these discussions go the same way: x: cmt4 LOL KENYA MAP LOL tb3 rulez ^_^ | y: no way dude cmt4 is awesome stfu! | paradoks: yes cmt4 is good and cos i say so we're gonna play it | x: NO WAY KENYA ROFL | y: CMT4 RULES | Link: OMG STFU ALL OF YOU, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO AN OPINION AND I AM ALWAYS RIGHT, WITHOUT FAIL | everyone : zzz |
||||
|
||||
|
I agree with Luny, some clans choose custom maps for competetive advantage. The only time my clan has never picked custom maps is because we think it is the best chance to get a point, not because we neccesarily think it is a good map. |
||||
|
||||
|
I laugh at those who moan when we choose CMT4/E2M2TDM, it so satisfying to know that they either don't have a clue how to play it, or can't handle any non-TB3 map. I'm glad to say that some of our division seem to be good on it though, despite the rest appearing to be pre-programmed TB3 robots. |
||||
|
||||
|
I would like to point out that CN did not chose any Kenya maps vs fappers :) And we have become quite fond of both the "new" maps! Please stop whining about maps, in the old days we whined like bitches when ppl started playing DM3, "its to big" "only 1 rl" etc, now we all love it, and (maybe) whis will happen with the new maps also :) |
||||
|
||||
|
ye to be honest i also think clans pick their map to get advantage.. and that is when it comes to tb3 also....maybe they like the map also.. but it should be some "wanting to win" in it also as someone said... and picking cmt4 or e2m2tdm sure gives more advantage than picking lets say maybe dm2 if u think the other clan is slight worse on that map than on dm3 and e1m2... but the other clans has still played dm2 millions of times... so not as big advantage as cmt4 and e2m2... and sure everyone can prac cmt4 and e2m2 as much as they want.. but lets say we prac it 20 times its still some other clans that has played it 40 times.. and in this early state of mapknowledge of those 2 compared to tb3 that is a big advantage... and then it is mapknowledge that wins.. i want more maps and i also wanna learn them... but cant we just have these 2 maps in the regular season only for a couple of seasons.. i dont think theyre ready for playoff.. and keep the damn maps this time instead of changing all the time :) in playoff every single map is important and should also be 100% fair i think.. ok fair is wrong word cause everyone can prac as much they want but i just dont think the ones with most time should win |
||||
|
||||
|
Razor it will always be teh players who put the most time in any map or just playing QW, that will win in the end. |
||||
|
||||
|
i dont agree.. some players get much better even if they have much less total played time |
||||
|
||||
|
I always pick a map, where I know my opponent will have an advantage |
||||
|
||||
| indeed look at griffin :) | ||||
|
||||
|
you still play at least 2xtb3 in a game if you want and when other clans prac cmt4/e2m2 you own them easily on tb3 then and get 3 points or a victory in playoffs. If you can't win 2xtb3 map, maybe opponent is better than :) |
||||
|
||||
|
omg omg plz ban dm2 plz the map is so unfair because we can't play it!! |
||||
|
||||
|
So we aren't really free of TB3 as decider. If there was 7 maps map pool we would be free of TB3 decider and also more accurately know wich non-TB3 maps is popular (and more easily swap 6th and 7th map next season). |
||||
|
||||
|
well my point was that in playoff every map is important if you want to win in my opinion... its not "easy" to win 2 straight tb3 maps just like that... plus if we want that we have to discard the custom map that wasnt played and then the one that won the first custom map get to choose their favourite tb3 map of the 2 remaining... joulukuu: cant play a map is one thing... and mapknowledge is another |
||||
|
||||
|
and if all other div3clans have a lot more experienced dm2players don't you think it would be beneficial to them to pick the map against us? i think we played 2 pracs in e2m2tdm before the nqr season started and we have won 3 out of 3 games in that map in nqr so its not like we are betting everything on one map, its a way to equalize the huge advantage some players who have simply played the game longer have. i bet we would be div4material in a tb3-tournament and i don't feel that we are "cheating the system" or anything. |
||||
|
||||
|
link: stop calling me names like noob or numb nuts etc., or i will have to cry or start singing the Canadian National Athem to quiet you down :P As for cmt4, the issue was really one of popularity in terms of playing time last year. If it were just me picking, then I'd have gone with cmt3 for nqr. The same could be said for most of the other admins and their peculiar map preferences. But basing it on the most popular map (other than tb3) seemed more reasonable....no matter why a clan chooses the map; our concern could not be that. |
||||
|
||||
|
Variation are good, me like new maps. The whiners are right, its annoying to play some map you dont know, dont have locs etc, and the rest is right also, more maps are more fun. However everyone just needs to shut up about, having people like link and para doing propaganda for one side, and others for the other doesnt help. On the contrary people get more narrowminded, and try to hold their ground. If the maps are as good as some say, they are here to stay. Personally i like both e2m2 and dm2 much more than ie. dm2. At this day and age, with all the timers and cheaters, and superfast play, its nice to have a map big enough for a regroup and weapons some place not so easy accessable. |
||||
|
||||
|
ups i meent both e2m2 and cmt4 than dm2 ;) |
||||
|
||||
|
I don't think we should base our mapchoices around issues like cheating ;) |
||||
|
||||
|
For what its worth: if the 4th map had been cmt3, at least I would have understood it. Xhrl: sorry mate =) |
||||
|
||||
|
spill the whine and eat some cheese |
||||
|
||||
| bg | ||||
|
||||
|
Last season we had cmt1b, cmt3 and cmt4 in the map pool. Most played cmt map was cmt4 (53), which was more than double played compared to next closest map cmt3 (25). In this perspective it's not so strange that cmt4 is in this season. I guess that if we had put in cmt3 instead, much more ppl would have pointed at the stats last season and questioning wtf we're doing aswell. That would have been true noob behavior imo, if we should use those speaking terms. |
||||
|
||||
|
"gaz - 62.252.32.7 040217 @ 13:18:16 all these discussions go the same way: x: cmt4 LOL KENYA MAP LOL tb3 rulez ^_^ | y: no way dude cmt4 is awesome stfu! | paradoks: yes cmt4 is good and cos i say so we're gonna play it | x: NO WAY KENYA ROFL | y: CMT4 RULES | Link: OMG STFU ALL OF YOU, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO AN OPINION AND I AM ALWAYS RIGHT, WITHOUT FAIL | everyone : zzz" this was so right =) plz stop talk about these maps, and just play the game =) bg!! |
||||
|
||||
|
Icce just for the record I think its strange cmt4(53 plays) was picked before e3m7 (59 plays) |
||||
|
||||
|
I was referring to cmt maps jinx which the discussion was about. |
||||
|
||||
|
link: mooniz prolly meant that fappers are 'so idler' clan that we dont really push up for the new maps and take like 4-6x cmt4/e2m2tdm in pracs per day. we all have played many years qw and tb3 has been all the time there. so, theres no point us to play CMT4 vs SSC or so, they r00l our asses easily (though hope get their asses punched in e2m2tdm coz we rock there a bit ;). but ggs, i can play every map except dm3, i s0x there too much. gl and HF to all of the true quakers around here! i've had nice 7years kih kih and ill play next 7 years, ill promise |
||||
|
||||
|
Icce: what does that have to do with anything? As jinx stated, e3m7 was played more, so your argument is flawed. |
||||
|
||||
|
link it was the most played map in cmt and we had chance to vote e3m7(tdm) to in, but people didnt want that. I think there is enough experience of cmt maps to let admin choose, but tdm we need more games. |
||||
|
||||
|
Goljat: icce used the "most played games" argument. That is flawed since another map was played more. So what it comes down to, is what map they think ARE BEST FOR 4on4. And I dont care if cmt4 is played 234234234 times, there are still many cmt maps that are better, hell, even schlosb1 and grim are better, lot of the exmxTDM maps are better. Why is not dm6 played in nqr? You think it got something to do with the map itself, or how many times it is played? Someone grow a brain. |
||||
|
||||
|
Link if you weren't so hasty with your attacking you might read better. I said: "most played CMT-map". |
||||
|
||||
| And your point was? | ||||
|
||||
|
well maybe that it was logical to pick cmt4 from the CMT-map pool. and i don't think e3m7 can be taken seriously when teams like SR play it only4fragrank. and i think that e3m7 isn't played for the same reason as dm6, you can't get really nice teamplay-games in'em. |
||||
|
||||
| mel: some people can :) | ||||
|
||||
|
arguing with Link is like competing in the paralympics. he is a norweigan, he will win. |
||||
|
||||
| lol! | ||||
|
||||
| lol! | ||||
|
League Coverage |