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Hello Quakers!
Explanation of Losers Bracket All clans that lose their primary playoff game will be moved down to Losers Bracket, where you will have the chance to climb all the way to fight in the Bronze game (3rd place game). The losers of the semi finals games, will face eachother in a fight best of 3. The winner of that fight goes directly to Bronze game. The loser of that game will then face the winning clan of Losers Bracket. And self-explanatory, the winner of that game takes a place in the Bronze game, the Bronze game will be fought over best of 5 maps. Down below you have a more detailed look at how the Losers Bracket system is thought to work out, I just hope this freaking page can handle this ;) 1. Group ----------- L#01-#02 L#05-#06 L#09-#10 L#13-#14 Winners face eachother. Winner of that game decides who goes through to next game. 2. Group ----------- L#03-#04 L#07-#08 L#11-#12 L#15-#16 Winners fight eachother, winner of that game goes through. 3. Group ----------- L#17-#18 L#19-#20 L#21-#22 L#23-#24 Winner fights winner of round 1. L#25-#26 vs L#27-#28 Winner goes to Bronze game (3rd place game). Loser plays winner of Losers Bracket. Winning clan gets to play in the Bronze game. Maps The following maps will be used in the NQR 6 playoffs; DM3, DM2, E1M2, CMT4 & E2M2TDM. The same rules apply for decider maps as it does in regular season. Here's a rules refresher from rules page concerning this issue; "Best of 3: If the result is 1-1 after two maps have been played, a decider map will be required. If the same map has been played both first maps the decider will be that map as well. Else a map will be agreed upon between the teams, or selected by the throw away system (a team is chosen randomly to throw first map). Example: team1 picks CMT4, teams2 picks DM3 - a decider map will be picked from DM2 E1M2 E2M2TDM. Team1 is chosen randomly to throw away first map. Team1 throws away DM2, team2 throws away E1M2, E2M2TDM will be played as decider." Final words We hope you guys are as excited to the upcoming playoffs as we are, it most certainly will be a blast :)! Last season the clans below Division 1 were not given a playoff system, due to many reasons, one of them beeing that is was going to be too time-consuming, and we wanted the season to get underway as soon as possible. But this season we deliver playoffs to all divisions, as we promised to you guys during last season. I really hope that all of you no matter what division you play in, will enjoy and get thrilled playing in your respective playoffs! Best of wishes goes out from the entire NQR Crew to all clans that will enter Playoffs, GOOD LUCK! We are working on the playoff tree, and it will be up as soon as possible, Kryten is a hard man to get a hold of these days ;)! // The NQR Crew 238 comments. |
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Hmm.. I see you cut away alot of clans from playoffs? Like, only 10 clans from div1 move on? I must admit that is a bit of a surprise to me. Sad to see those remaining clans in bottom part of div1 not getting a chance in the playoffs, with a good chance of competing with the top of div2. Although nice to finally get some clossure on the playoffs part of this season. All the admins need to take it up a notch to make this a real worthwhile playoffs. I'm confident they can and will do so. |
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hope next season we will have qw.tv for purposes of coverage. written coverage and predictions are nice but wouldn't you rather have gaz, ht or para doing the live commentary? for interviews...it would rock. I would like to do those live: just imagine it.....xhrl speaks with the zoo, and then for dessert: xhrl speaks with mrl about dm3 :) hehe, seriously though qw.tv will rock when it is a reality....soon i hope! also clans should let us know their thoughts on the dbl elimination vs single elimination set up so we can evaluate this in light of some of your experience and reflections. the feedback will help us for next season. |
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lets hope for e2m2tdm for the deciding map in the finals!!! |
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so if I understand things right, losers bracket can only get to the bronze game and not to the actual final? I think this is a great system that wil provide the community with alot of excitement! I'm just hoping that all games will be played, especially the losers bracket games! para: regarding the clans at the lower part of div1, I can agree to a certain extent that they might put up a descent game vs some of the div2 clans, but then again there is an obvious gap between the first 10 clans and the next ones, so maybe in a way they didn't deserve to reach the playoffs. However, it is weird that a clan you know you can beat can reach playoffs when you can't. Anyway, I can't wait for the playoffs to start! |
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yeah i think its nice that not ALL clans go through to playoffs. if you'd allow ALL clans to go through then the groupgames would lose its purpose i think :) |
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"Like, only 10 clans from div1 move on?" they have had 14games to prove they belong to div1 top10. Of course div1 bottom clan can be better than top div2 clans, but then div2 will be knock out in first round by div1 clan if not they are better than div1 bottom clans :) |
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Looks like a great system, good job once again admins! |
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It is good that only the top clans from each division advance. This makes the division games more important and interesting. Furthermore the idle lamer clans (HELLO DIVISION3) don't get the free ride they probably expected. |
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What a complete and utter fucking disgrace, changing the rules like this midway through the season. Can you imagine if Chelsea were to finish 2nd in premierleague, and then UEFA says "hahah we have changed our rules, you aren't allowed in Champions League next season!!!". They would get their asses sued so bad. How can you justify punishing clans for the inactivity of others? At the start of the season, it was stated that top15 from div1 would be in Gold playoffs. With this knowledge, we figured we may as well just play our NQR games in the spirit of quake, rather than delay while we play 999999999 pracs and fuck all NQR games (frag-0-matic), no whining about only playing with top team etc. Look at our squad, we have EIGHT players who have played 9 maps or more, I dare you to find any clan in the entire league with that kind of spread of activity between a large number of members. But it seems we should have acted in true quake-lamer fashion and refused to play any games except under the best conditions, with top team and 15 rounds prac beforehand. Had we known that only top10 would be in playoffs, instead of top15 as promised, I'm sure we would have been a bit more careful about agreeing to play games. If this decision had been clear from the start, then I would have no argument, but this is just total bullshit, I've seen some pretty fucked up admin decisions in QW over the past 5 years, maybe even some by myself, but this really has to be the pick of the bunch. Now, you could say that I'm biased because my clan is in 11th place. Would I be as angry if we placed in the top10? Probably not. Would I still be criticial of the decision? Damn straight I would, heck if you look at my comments when the original playoff system was announced you can see that I disagree on principal even ignoring any personal bias. But, had this playoff structure been made clear in pre-season, I could accept it, cos "that's the rules and if you don't like it, don't enter the league" (c) HangTime. It's ludicrous to change the rules at such a late stage of the season though, especially with the pitifully weak excuse (actually, I'm not sure they give ANY reason for this drastic reduction in playoff participants) of inactivity from other clans. YES, LETS PUNISH PEOPLE BECAUSE OTHER CLANS HAVE BEEN INACTIVE! STRENGTH AND HONOUR TO ALL PARTICIPANTS! Clearly the best thing to do in NQR is make sure you are in div2 (maybe have an average lineup and then add some players late, or say "yeh he is CS progamer now and never ever ever plays qw"), rape some other average clans and your playoff berth is secure. Oh well, any div2 clans want a ringer for the rest of the season? |
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i really have to agree with ht.this is fucking unfair.now you get punished to have the courage to play in higher divs?!take all div1 clans into the playoffs!sure this would mean a slightly decrease of the significance of the group games but you would still fight for a good seeding place in the playoffs.i dont know the situation in the lower divs (cause i have no good overview there) but i know for sure that every div1 clan from 11th to 14th would own the top6 div2?s.bigger playoffs are cool but wheres the sense there?we want to see all of the top clans and not some wannabe-sr-raper.and not to mention that all this was decided AFTER some clans already played all there games... (if i would play for hyphen/hgc/4k/aq i would be so pissed) |
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Well for divison1 it is surely hars to let just the first 10 clans advance but in the other divisions it really makes sense imo. I suggest a workaround: Let the first 8 clans from division1 get a free ride to round 2 of playoffs, while the bottom half of division1 and the top from div2 play for the right to mee them in 2nd round. |
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"Look at our squad, we have EIGHT players who have played 9 maps or more, I dare you to find any clan in the entire league with that kind of spread of activity between a large number of members" we've used 10 different players, 7 of whom have played 12 maps or more.. |
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hangtime, try ur self to get a decision made which makes ALL clans and ALL ~700 players happy? thats not a simple stuff, this time, ur prolly only clan whos not happy, but in my friendly opinion, why u suck too much :] |
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you got me there gaz, although you have played 12 more maps than us, and our LEAST active player has 9 maps :) Buy yeah, FIPS also have a laissez-faire attitude to team selection |
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hmm i still think the div1groupstage would lose its purpose if you let all div1-clans advance to playoffs, but i agree that its fucked up to change it this late in the season :) |
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Congratulations for yet another fuckup NQR crew. And yes, I know this is only a hobby, and that IRL life takes time etc. But that is not the point here. I play in div. 6 in fotball, we only have 2 pracs a week, and since we just have 2 pracs a week, we make sure those 2 pracs count! In other words xhrl: it does not matter if you give it all if you are not talented in what yo do. I-N-C-O-M-P-E-T-E-N-C-E! HangTime and Spoink said it all, no need for me to say it twice. The Chopstick Ninja tactic works again! :D |
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reppie, about the group games losing their purpose if all div1 were in playoffs - this wouldn't bother me at all, if div2 clans weren't allowed in. Look at nqr4 or nqr5, did you see any whine from me about the weakest div1 clans not being in playoffs? Top8 div1 or whatever would be fine if div2 clans couldn't leap-frog other div1 clans. |
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I don't think letting clans from div2 play in div1 playoffs is a good idea....what I would like to see is the bottom 6 clans of div 1 in a playoff against the top 6 in div2 and so on down the line. It would be a responsible way to see who belongs in which division next year and separate the men from the boys so to speak. Since I am only an observer I'll just shut up now |
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to change playoffs system in this late stage of nqr its really poor and weak dicission and a disgrace to the players. to reppie who think the first group stage will lose its purpose if all clans go thru from div1 its already have since there is so wide skill level in div1 so we already know which clans will advance maybe spot 9-10 is open but thats it... |
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i`d like to see sucha sexi horizontal line thru every div, not only div1 chart - makes me feel good when im above it :H |
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Changing the number of teams who get to play the playoff midway through the season isnt acceptable. This loser bracket thing is also kind of strange. Why have a loser bracket if you cant make the final if you lose anyhow? Also for those who say the group games will lose purpose are wrong. You will get a worse seeding and knocked out earlier. And I HIGHLY doubt there are any clans in div2 who before this season started wanted to be in div1 just to get into the gold playoff. If any div deserve to have all teams in the playoff its div1. |
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Well the silver playoff is going to offer alot of close games. Cant wait to se matches as div2 7th vs dv4 1st (JihaD WarriorS vs Dutch Hope) |
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loser bracket is only for first round losers aka div2 playoffs. |
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please read it(I know its incoherent but still) again goljat. |
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Everything works better my way. :] |
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I DID IT MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WAY .. . |
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lol goljat? :)
I was just gonna write a comment but saw that hangtime wrote exactly what I was about to write and also that he wrote it 10 times better than I would?ve done :) I completely agree and think it?s so fkn lame.. maybe a good time to quit qw now afterall :( or maybe I should join some lame div2 team or something to get to play in playoffs? hmhm gg. ps. anyone need a player for playoffs? :( |
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ok, in my last comment about this playoff stuff was ok, but i didnt really knew about the playoff stuff 'promised' in the beginning of season. anyway, i dont see personally any sense to give every div1 clan a place for playoffs, since thats so ridiculous. whats the game where every dude in gets in the playoffs even how bad they play?? thats nonsense and it doesnt work in basketball, volleyball, floorball, football or everything teamplaying. think about it. of course, its sad that NQR crew cant help everyone out, but as far as i know and i've seen, this is the best playoff system ever figured out. of course, changing it is there and there and prolly not fair or prolly fair. everyone has own opinion about it. but, like i said, 3 wins and 10 losses... what kinda game it is if you can go playoffs in that kinda results? no offense hangtime, but go figure it out? its anyway great to see hyphen so active etc, but still... |
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oosi, did you read what HT said? omg... |
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oosi: It's the kind of record which was promised WOULD put us in playoffs at the start of the season. Point being, we would have acted a lot lamer in terms of game scheduling had we known nqr was going to break all their promises. Look at our div0 star player fix, he has played the least number of games of all our players. I'm confident we could have acheived more with top team and delaying matches until after we had pracced. Look at some of the games, a 0-2 vs EQ thanks to timeouts on both maps that we probably should have won. Playing vs FUDOH with a drunk player. Playing with weak team vs other clans (there's no way I should be playing div1 dm2). I'm saying that that wouldn't have happened had we known the new playoff structure originally. I'm not saying we would definitely place top10, but we would have given it a shot and if we failed would have no complaints. Also comparing it to other sports is hideously flawed, cos you don't get clans from College basketball league (div2) playing in NBA (div1) playoffs, do you?? If you can't see that giving div2 clans playoff spaces at the expense of div1 clans is just promoting lameness then there's no way you should be adminning league. I'm not saying div2 clans shouldn't get the opportunity to try their luck against the top clans; if they really are worthy let them prove it in the first playoff round against the bottom clans in div1? I'm still baffled and waiting for an explanation as to why the original playoff system announced before season start was changed?? |
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hangtime, this game is played for fun, not for progaming stuff. like i said, no offense, but if you wanna explain its ok too, i just dont care about it :] when you play something you also have to play like you can, not like you have to explain something after games. what comes div2 and div1 clans playing in playoffs, i've heard like THOUSAND times in last month how theres a div1 players even in div3, 4 and 5. so, how you think there are anymore 'divisions' in late this season, since players are changing clans like pants. still, no offense :] explanation about why original playoff system changed now -> legio/icce/others can give a specific reason. but, this is my opinion -> changing clans made that these kinda 'divisions' werent so clear different from each others, atleast not in div1 and between div2. we'll see how it'll goes, chill down honey :] <3 |
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Well I think this new system is better than the one presented in the start of NQR6. I think that all clans from div1 shouldn't go to pthe layoffs. The only thing i'm worried about is the skill difference between div1 and div2 clans in the Gold Tournament. I still believe that we can see some exciting games when the playoffs proceed towards the final. And regarding to HangTimes post about not playing completely seriously because they thought that they would make it to the playoffs anyway according the playoff system presented start of the season. I think the main reason was to drop few div1 clans from the playoffs because of the skill difference. Look all the clans from position 10 and below. Hyphen has won three matches and lost 10. Do they deserve to get to playoffs? All the rest below have won 1 match or not even one. Don't think so. |
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your logic is flawed since clans in the top of div2 probably wouldnt have won one game Blob. But it doesnt really matter though since the playoff was changed during the season. You cant change it in the middle. |
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blob: Well put it this way. From all the clans in div2, we have pracced vs Para, CN, Freedom, NRU, SSC, DH, BWL, Fired and CO. We have positive records against ALL these clans in terms of maps won minus maps lost. Of course that is only prac, and I'm not saying we would be guarenteed to beat them all, but to not even be given the chance seems pretty lame to me. Why do teams lower than us in the league deserve to get to playoffs, especially when they haven't proven themselves as clearly superior in pracs? |
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oosi, as you can see, div. 1 is not for fun, proved by a lot of clans, even by the "play for fun clan" FS, when they faced BGSR. Hyphen actually played "for fun", since they did not bother to postpone games and play with "top team" later. Blob: you should apply for being a NQR crew member, you got the same logic as them! |
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Couldn't agree more Blob. We decided that not all clans should go ahead to playoffs, just because of that issue, then WTF use groupgames for? If you know you are going to go to playoffs, eventhough you don't have 1 damn point?!?! Then the criticizm towards NQR Crew about late entry of this new system, yes i know it was late, terrible late to change the system. But we'd much rather have this system, then go with the old system. Wouldn't make sense to have all freaking clans move to playoffs when some of them have not even scored a point (no offense intended towards those clans, just making a point here). And HT, it's not our damn fault if you guys cannot play 100%'ish each game, with your best lineup, and it's not NQR freaking fault that you decide to play with a DRUNK player, YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT...don't you blame that on us! You have a choice, you made the worse choice by playing those games when you didn't have your elite-super-top team! |
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god legio, c'mon read what I said! WE ONLY CHOSE TO PLAY THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE ANNOUNCED NQR PLAYOFF STRUCTURE! IT WOULD <b>NOT</b> HAVE HAPPENED IF WE KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO CHANGE THE FUCKING RULES!!! YES GODDAMN US, OUR OWN DAMN FAULT FOR BASING OUR DECISIONS ON NQR RULES AS ANNOUNCED AT SEASON START!!! |
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Tap that Caps-key for me will you HT. |
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Well legio!, the reason they made that decision was because you and the crew provided the wrong information. Its your fault not theirs. Also the brackets are full of flaws. |
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In other words you lost on purpose? |
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Yes, we announced in the beginning of NQR that we were going to use that system, i can't go hide from that fact. But that you blame your losses on us, seems not fair. And if you decide, "hey guys let's play a game...doesn't matter if we loose". Yes i know, we play QW because it's fun, but we do play it because we want to win, no? I can only speak for my self, when i play NQR games or AM Official games, i play to WIN...and not to loose. We really try to get our best team together, then sometimes you cannot to various reasons. And you have to play eventhough because you have scheduled, and if your team cannot put up the top team on a scheduled time....well then you deserve to loose that game(im speaking of my clan here no as an example). |
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No? In other words, I would have been reluctant to play games under such circumstances if I had known that only top10 was in playoffs, since we would need to have beaten more clans. Can't you see what I'm saying? It's not about deliberately losing, it's about not delaying games because I assumed that losing wouldn't deny us playoff spots. Like I said, it wouldn't be guarenteed that we would have got more points, I just think it sux that if you stick to the league rules, stuck to the schedule, you get fucked over while clans blatantly ignoring the scheduling rules like f0m just play all games in perfect circumstances even though they should have been voided ages ago. I have nothing against f0m personally but its just hard to swallow when you are punished for trying to be good sportsmen |
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To the NQR crew: keep on defending your decision, stand up against all lamers you bash you down! |
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you = who. Yes Legio, get kryten out of the pub! |
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I'm not blaming NQR for our losses, I never said that, don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying that we would have had more chance to win some of our games had we, for example, never played without fix. Once again, look at previous seasons, I never whined at all about missing playoffs because the rules weren't changed at the end of the regular season, and there was no div2 clans jumping the queue. BTW, feel free to discuss this matter with me on irc if you don't want it "in the open" :) |
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Ok, i've settled down now a bit. Yes i can understand your frustration HT, in some way. Para laid before us a playoff system, wich we agreed to based on the current clan base we had before league started, it seemed logical, and OK. Then when we reach the ending of the league, we are down to 14 clans in Division1, it's like..."gooooooooooood wtf is wrong with these guys!?". And we discussed over and over about what to do...and to allow all Div1 clans to head to playoffs seemed a bit unfair to say the least when we have clans in Division1 who still have not gained that many points(still no offense intended towards those clans, most of you guys have played your games with no/little whining, GJ!). When we have clans in Division 2 who has worked the butts off and gotten a fair share of points! Then to disallow these clans to enter Gold playoffs vs a 0 Point clan from Division1, .....just doesn't sit right with me. |
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Yea will do, this seems like some cyber-6 chatty on some weird page ;)! |
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Btw..Kryten is redecorating his house he told me in a mail...lol :)! |
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So in other words, the 6 clans in div. 2, are rated over the bottom 4-5 in div. 1? Thats what your system says. |
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Legio, what the hell do you mean with "When we have clans in Division 2 who has worked the butts off and gotten a fair share of points! Then to disallow these clans to enter Gold playoffs vs a 0 Point clan from Division1, , .....just doesn't sit right with me"? ............. Playing against the Div1-team is exactly what they would have done in Paras system and which they won't do in this system, they would have faced that 0-point clan for match against the top8 of div1, just as it should have been. Do you think it's more fair now when Div2-clans will leapfrog over Div1-clans into a playoff? If you can name _one_ other sport, game or leisure where this practise is done I won't say another word. |
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Btw, I thought we settled this matter in the huge protest storm after you announced the very first propasal for a play off, Paras system may have had it's flaws, it still discarded the bottom two teams of Div1, but we all knew there would be idleclans/dropouts/breakups so that wasn't a big deal. But in the end the first hugely flawed system comes back and bites us in the ass. Paradoks come back, all is forgiven! |
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First of all, it was not MY system...with the FA cup thingy...it was CREW decision, please understand that. And the so called Para's system is not mainly para...he brought many different systems to our attention, wich we discussed, then we agreed on the so called "Para System". |
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Glad to see playoffs for lower divs as well. Well done! |
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To HangTime and legio: I agree that the lower div1 clans that will be dropped from the playoffs would probably beat all div2 clans. It would be really nice to see some surprises from div2 but I don't really believe that will happen. I predict that almost all div2 clans will drop to losers bracket after the first round. But thinking about the whole playoffs, I really think it was good decision to drop the low div1 clans. The first round will be kinda boring but then... I understand the NQR admins decision because of the changed situation on div1 after the regular season. Things don't always go as predicted. And I think oosi had a good point on irc from the rules page: "Please note that NQR reserves the right to alter these rules without no prior notice. " |
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Oh, to whoever is responsible to the PHP-code of the NQR-pages. Please check the function nl2br so the linebreaks in the database are converted to <br />. The long post are tedious to read without any linebreaks. http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.nl2br.php |
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Points at the pub where Kryten is ;)! |
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Yes blob, there is always a disclaimer like that in rules. Doesn't mean I have to lie down and take it in the ass though :) If it's such a justified rule change, they will have no problem explaining it to me. I have been talking to legio and have still not been convinced. Max: here is the previous discussion, http://www.nqr.nu/newscomment.php?id=121 do ctrl-f hangtime , anyone who thinks this is just "sour grapes" on my part should read that, and see that on 20/01/04 (pre-season) I explained why barring a lot of div1 clans from playoffs at the expense of div2 clans is a bad idea |
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Keep in mind neither this system og Para's system is a good system ;] |
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Yes, yes HT, I was there, and I was the first one who pointed out the flaws of the system. .............. Legio, your post above was utterly pointless to this discussion, you responded to some trivial matter in regards to whose system it is/was and completely failed to rebut or respond to any of my three assertions/questions. I'll ask again then......... 1. What did you mean by "When we have clans in Division 2 who has worked the butts off and gotten a fair share of points! Then to disallow these clans to enter Gold playoffs vs a 0 Point clan from Division1, , .....just doesn't sit right with me" ................... 2. Do you think it's more fair now when Div2-clans will leapfrog over Div1-clans into the playoff, instead of meeting them in a match on who gets to play the top8. ..................... 3. Can you name _one_ other sport, game or leisure where anything like this new play off system is used? |
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Damn, almost unreadable when there's no chance for paragraphs, sorry. |
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legio: could u name at least one 0 point team in div1. |
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Ok my bad mate, 2 p team then :)! |
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Legio, that's twice ignored? Are you pulling the "we don't need to explain, it's our decision"-defense or the "keep silent until dead"-maneuver? |
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???? I dont get what the complaints are all about, its a bigger joke to remove already played games in the league than change the playoffsystem slightly. |
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I'll answer them Max, but not tonight. Been pumping iron today...lol all worn out :)! I'll try and answer all of your questions tomorrow. Goodnight folks. |
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Strife, now that Para is out if the NQR crew, I think we need a strong personality and popular guy to fill his place. You were my first thought, i think you should apply for the spot! GL! |
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yes one with so much common sence as strife will surely make a great addition to the already great nqr-team. |
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hope this scene still knows what the rules says... in the end of whole page... plz, ill paste it to you, hope this ends discussions and puts guys thinks what kinda stuff CREW does (no, dont include me in crew coz i'm so newb @ crew and these guys really did the job in the beginning of NQR etc). but anyway, TEH RULEZ says ------>>>> "Please note that NQR reserves the right to alter these rules without no prior notice. The changes made by the NQR Crew is final and not up for discussion. " i hope that we really understand this. gl. btw, i suck in comments |
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oosi: If you wanna get anal about it, look again in rules section, where does it say anything about the number of clans in playoffs? It doesn't, therefore legally this issue isn't covered by that disclaimer - erego it's up for discussion :) gg |
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stop comparing with sports :) quake doesnt have anything to do with sports... but anyway i dont see why it should be impossible to change the system slight further so bottom div1 also can play, cause i have to say this is pretty weird,.. bottom div1 can play the top div2 first about who plays top div1.. if they play top div1 immediatly i have to say i think it will be pretty boring games and too predictable, |
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Why not have a qualifying round - the bottom 4 of div 1 vs the teams in 3rd-6th from div 2. Then the 4 winners go on to the main playoff. |
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OMG what a fucking LAME decision, i think i'm gonna fakenick and rape noobs in the next season, and have a sure sweet spot in the playoffs. ok seriously, why dont we have qualifiers between last 4 clans in div1 and the clans in div2, like it was proposed before? you even introduce a loser bracket for more games and with teams that will be *YAWN* to watch. thx for punishing the most active clan of div1, the clan that would have easily finished 1.-3. spot in div2. (same goes for the other clans behind hyphen) YES I'M PISSED and i don't want to read lame comments now, i want to see admins changing this shit back again. |
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OH BTW: IT WOULD NOT ONLY MAKE HYPHEN HAPPY, BUT MOST OF THE DEAD COMMUNITY, AS YOU CAN READ IN THE COMMENTS. SORRY FOR CAPS, I'M SO PISSED!!! |
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Gaz, xhrl, well, that's what "we've" been arguing all along, and a variant of what was in the "Para-rules". Razor, read what I wrote, "Any sport, game or leisure", are you seriously saying that Quake has nothing in common with any other current activity and as such a freestanding entity can choose this bizarro play-off system? Well then, I'll add in computergames to give you and Legio an even wider search area, find me _something_ that has a play off system that allows lower ranked teams in while excluding higher ranked ones. |
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I cant see any problems in creating a "middle pool", where the top Div2 clans plays the bottom Div1 clans in order to qualify for the Gold playoffs. My guess is that most Div2 clans will have a harder time vs div1 1-10 clans than the low Div1 clan will have. oosi: personally I would refrain from referring to sections in the rules, which clearly are not suited for this matter, to justify a controversial decision and plz remember that u are an admin and mind ur language and show serious players with serious reasons the respect the deserve. |
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men strife, dom har ju redan f?rkarat varf?r det vore dumt att beh?lla spelade matcher mot droppade lag, det blir ju ort?ttvist hur man ?n g?r, utom att ta bort matcherna... Antingen skulle ju bara en del f? po?ng mot dem, vilket vore or?ttvist eller s? skulle alla f? po?ng vilket ocks? vore or?ttvist eftersom en del f?r bra fragstats genom spelade matcher andra kanske f?r en f?rlorad map och resten f?r wo med en 2-0 vinst i frags. Det ?r ju inte klokt att vilja ha det s?, b?st ?r att ta bort dem och deras matcher.... |
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It seems like a qualifying round is one of the suggestions here that could do, just as some of you already mentioned. Our decision didn't work out to good and you showed it clearly to us. We're gonna bring this issue up for discussion once again and hopefully present a solution that comes out more appropriate and satisfying. |
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W00t! Another Crew meeting ;)! But as Icce says, we are going to review the critisizm and try and take another aproach, and come out with a better soloution. Stay tuned folks for an official statement from the Crew. |
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gaz wrote: "Why not have a qualifying round - the bottom 4 of div 1 vs the teams in 3rd-6th from div 2. Then the 4 winners go on to the main playoff." bloody oath gaz, best idea in this thread so far...now I'm sure the admins are not too proud to be able to change the playoffs structure to encorporate something like this...imo this would not only settle the issue, it would also be more fair seeing that if div2 clans can't beat the lower part of div1, they shouldn't even be playing the better clans right? anyway, just listen to gaz and go along with his words of wizdom! |
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So we are finally back to NQR-of-division-1-over-all-others. What will you guys do if those sucky almost leapfrogging division 2 clans beat the lower div1 clans in playoffs, die of heart attack? I suggest to BAN all division 1 clans&players from next season so that we can return to playing Quake again. |
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I agree with HT, Gaz, and a few others... A qualifying round sounds really good! ...i think its more fair for example AQ to be able to play the playoffs. All low-div1 teams are really solid and deserve a chance to show thier skills vs some more human opponents. To play in div1 is hard, and most clans are damn good. It's not fun to allways play better teams. I think its most fair to let the low-div1 teams play the top-div2 teams. The top-div2 teams have had a walk in teh park so far and letting them just walk past some div1 clans for playoffs seems fucked, as most ppl above agree with... nqr admins: i trust u guys to make a wise decision /manu |
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apo: the div1 prewar and nqr comments pages are what makes qw so exciting nowadays ;) it's like a badly-made australian soap opera. |
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max i didnt mean only you, ive just read here and there and in other forums, the word sport, and in fotball you do this and that and in hockey you do that and this, "and therefor we cant do it in quake" , but if you see i wasnt FOR this particular idea, im against it. But you said you would rest your case if this was found in any sport or somewhere else, and what i ment is that me myself wouldnt rest my case if this was found somewhere else, cause i dont care, i still think this would be a pissy system :) but seems like they are going to change that now so thumbs up for nqr. Apollyon, do u mean you dont wanna see these games then? i think they will be among the most interesting ones in the whole tourney. and its not div1 over others, last season it was cause we had the only playoff, but if this change wouldnt be made it would be div2 over others |
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cursed moneybrain! :-)
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9-14 vs 1-6 i guess then? And after that a playoff without loser bracket. 9-6,10-5,11-4,12-3,13-2,14-1 and 9-6 get the highest seed in the upcoming playoff and 14-1 the lowest. |
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Apollyon, show me one instance where HT or I havn't accepted the outcome of a fair game. All we are saying is "don't exclude higher ranked teams from a play off while you are letting lower ranked team enter it". Note that my team (Fudoh) is guaranteed a place in the play offs no matter what system is chosen, so I'm not doing this for selfish reasons, only from a logical and fair POV. |
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"hangtime, try ur self to get a decision made which makes ALL clans and ALL ~700 players happy? thats not a simple stuff, this time, ur prolly only clan whos not happy, but in my friendly opinion, why u suck too much :]" Rules are not to make more people happy, but not to piss off new people. Personally, I don't see a big problem, in not giving a playoff spot to everyone just like Reppie said. But you can't just change the rules during the season. Even worse, the rules are changed AFTER the league has ended and no-one has even played under those conditions. Imagine, you banned Qizmo now and you checked all demos and everyone's team whose player(s) used a Qizmo would suffer from a Default Loss. "hangtime, this game is played for fun, not for progaming stuff. like i said, no offense, but if you wanna explain its ok too, i just dont care about it :]" And please please please please, no more "we play this game for fun"-bullshit! That's the kind of stuff one says running out of valid points supporting his own decision. Why the fuck are you an admin if you don't even CARE about what a player has to criticize???? Sometimes it is necessary as an admin to make decisions, others won't like and stand by them (like anti-cheater stuff), but THIS decision is absolutely not required and pisses off players and teams who are put in disadvantage of your pure incompetence. And you don't even care. THAT IS SAD. |
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1. What did you mean by "When we have clans in Division 2 who has worked the butts off and gotten a fair share of points! Then to disallow these clans to enter Gold playoffs vs a 0 Point clan from Division1, , .....just doesn't sit right with me". ANSWER: I do belive many of the clans have done extremly well in Div2, and that some of those clans should be given a chance in Gold playoffs.______ 2. Do you think it's more fair now when Div2-clans will leapfrog over Div1-clans into the playoff, instead of meeting them in a match on who gets to play the top8. ANSWER: As you can see from the discussion going on, we might change our opinion on this. Meaning i might be persuaded that the system posted in the news post, might not be the best. And you have had me beaten in your constructive and creative critics, keep it up buddy!______3. Can you name _one_ other sport, game or leisure where anything like this new play off system is used?ANSWER: No i most certainly cannot, but why should we allways follow other examples? We are continously evolving this league, and trying to test new things..new systems..and so on. Hope you are satisfied with the answers i've given you. /// Legio out !!! ;) |
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Hello Andy, glad you could join the discussion. See above post, we are going to have a NQR Crew meeting about this...what the outcome will be i don't dare to say yet, but we will make an offical statement in a News post. |
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Hehe, sure thing. The good flamewars are the only thing that keeps QW alive. I've had more fun reading this thread and responding so far than watching last season's NQR final ;) |
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The system was originally thought out by myself and kryten in a desperate attempt to suit all clans and systems under one roof - NQR. Having the league aspect, as well as a tournament after where it was not just the same clans fighting each other over again. I must say I was dissapointed finding less clans in playoffs and double elimination? The whole point was to have as many clans in playoffs as possible to have a balance between "ladder-like" system and tournament, where we mixed clans from diffrent divisions in the tournaments part. Any sain intelligent human being could probably call this bluff... it can't be done with success... at least not in this enviroment. I agree with Apol, that this is really focused on the top part of the league, whilest in terms of true quake and nqr spirit it should be focusing on lower divisions as well. Again with the conflicts of trying to satisfy all. I think it's time we came to terms with the fact that we cannot keep trying to run this kind of arrangement. Bring back Villains with top quality coverage where we can really try the live commentary/qizmo cam systems to it's full capacity. Experiement with interviews, playerprofiles clanprofiles and match analisys? And finally, perhaps we should simply - simplify NQR (AM anyone?). Clanbase run ladder games, are there any playoffs there of some sort? Would a new version of NQR (new page without the bugs, better and easier match reporting/demo uploading and better stats) be enough to provide entertainment for clans throughout the skill level spectrum? So what now, RIGHt now? How to handle this situation? Pfft! With a system bound to go wrong from the get go, it dosen't make it easier that the set ammount of clans we counted on to base the playoffs on, has dimminished cause of inactivity and dropouts. Although I think with very few adjustments the original layout i made could still be used. Quite a perdiciment NQR crew got themselfs into this time. Perhaps ambitions were too high. It's all gotten eve too complex for me. Too much shit going on irl for me to try and dig into this matter - maybe your probably better without it anyway, seeing as I created this hell hole =D |
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Apo: Why is it a div1 above all others situation? The same would apply further down the league too, in any division where clans are excluded at the expense of clans in a lower division. If my clan were given the opportunity to prove ourselves vs a div2 clan, and we lost, I would be the first to say "gg you deserved it, gl in the rest of the playoffs". I don't see what is wrong with wanting a fair game of quake to decide, rather than the original divisional placement. Why do you want a "div2 above all others situation" apo? cos the current system is so heavily biased in favour of playing in div2 it's untrue :) |
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I dont mean to diss oosi (I think he is doing a great job), but his attitude seems a bit missplaced when it comes to HT. I consider HT to be one the most respected QW players/adm?ns arround and I personally always value his input to any discussion. So oosi: plz remember that u are an admin and mind ur language and show serious players with serious reasons the respect the deserve. |
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Max: what i wanted to say is that once again whole NQR seems to be about division1 clans and their needs. In my opinion there shouldnt be playoffs in the first place because they spoil the whole division concept. I am not interested to see the same matchup during the same season again. And i am especially not interested to see the division1 clans playing against each other over and over again. What pisses me off is that everything is focussed to division 1 here. This begins with the still unadressed problem of higher div players playing in lower divs and ends with the weirdest league system ever just to make sure we get that best of seven LA vs SR superfinal match. |
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Hangtime: We are currently placed 10th in our division and if that means we dont go to the playoffs regardless of what had been said before i will accept that because 10th place in our division just isnt good regardless of how many dozen teams there are below us which we could theoretically or most likely beat. The lower teams going to playoffs deserve to be there because they proved themselves in competetive environment where we obviously failed. When everyone from division x advances to playoffs what importance do the division games have then? To get better seeding you might say but obviously you didnt care much about that. But what was your goal then? To me it looks like you thought something along the lines of "let's take it easy for now, we will beat the lamers in playoffs anway when we start to play seriously". In other words, arrogance. |
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HangTime, you said you have pracced vs ssc. We add all pracs to our homepage and we haven't played against Hyphen, ever. But actually thinking about this new system for a day I think golden tournament should be among div1 clans placed 1-10 in the regular season. Then rest of div1 would play against div2 1-6. We've had a lot of discussions about this whole issue on #ssc and come up with the conclusion that the skill difference is the root of the problem. There are clans in div1 that don't belong there but would own in div2. Same with upper div3 clans in div2. Top div2 clans could beat lower div1 and so on. I really understand the NQR admins problem to find a solution that is fair to all clans. I hope we can see the playoffs played nicely without any whines after the final decision has been made. |
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The only real exciting playoffs in NQR would be relegation games between lowest and highest placed clans of different divisions. This would even make the whole preseason exciting. Exciting on a constant level. |
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the problem with that apollyon is that qw is not a stable clan scene. |
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no error, this will create a stable clanscene! but admins are too afraid to show lamer clans the finger because some of these are div1 candidates. |
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hehe apo your div1-paranoia is hilarious.if i remember right it was you who had the idea of 16clan-invite tourney for smackdown.and now you say that you hate watching matches of the topclans?where does the change of mind come from? (just curious) |
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blobbi: that is actually not the case, we HAVE pracced against SSC, on at least one map - in fact you played in that game. Approximate date was 23-27/08/03, (maybe july not august) can't remember, I'll upload the demo when I get home from work. Maybe you didn't add it to your home page because slaugh disconnected immediately the map was over and hence there was (probably) only one map played. |
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Relegation games...just makes my body shiver ;). The teorethical idea is awsome..but in QW no i don't think so. We tried that...in a way. And as we know, that was NOT a success....allthough 1 of the reasons it was not a success might have something to do about our aproach to the whole idea..not sure, but it failed and failed badly when we tried it out. |
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Well as I see it. The nqr-crew would rather want equal divisions than to keep clans in the same division as previous year. I would have to agree;especially in div4-5. Ps. LOL at MM and honor to GRHU. |
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I think relegation games are a nice idea, but the problem last time I think was that the bottom clans in each division were often dead/semiactive. Maybe it's different now more clans are getting removed, dunno. At least in division1 the bottom clan AQ has been quite active now HF/CMF/!MM!/OEKS have been deleted. That said 4k still seem to be having a few problems getting 4 guys together for NQR games. Of course, the real major problem is that many people want divisions ordered by skill and so with the constantly changing and 'instable clanscene' you have a problem - either you place clans by skill at start of season irrespective of promotion/relegation etc, or you upset lower division players cos they have to face div1-standard clans. |
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spoink: Smackdown is not NQR. The concept is completely different. NQR currently tries to be like Smackdown by having playoffs when they arent really required. Furthermore a league is always as exciting as clans and the people in charge make it. Smackdown would have had a lot more coverage than NQR currently has. If i remember right the last Smackdown season, and especially the playoffs, were pretty good in terms of coverage. I have yet to see the NQR season/playoffs coming close to that. |
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Many clans go inactive in div1 because they lose horribly. I guess its not so fun to play then. I have actually not heard about any clan from div2 wanting to join div1 except for freedom. |
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I think gaz's compromise idea of top10 div1, top2 div2 straight to main playoff, with 11-14 div1 facing 3-6 div2 for the right to face them sounds reasonable. Top2 div2 start ahead of bottom of div1 but its not really a big deal for me, since at least the clans in div1 have a chance, and if they can't beat 3-6 in div2 then they don't deserve to be in main playoff. This would also mean you get to see some close matches; lets be honest 11-14 div1 vs div2 clans is gonna be much more close and exciting than watching slackers taking on 6th place from div2 straight away or whatever. |
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As the playoff system looks now, my clan is currently secured a spot in the gold playoffs, but I actually think that gaz's idea sounds pretty cool. I wouldn't mind playing the bottom div1 teams for the playoff spot. And I sure do understand HT's frustration, changing the rules in the middle/end of the season is just sad. |
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I haven?t read so much about the playoff system, so please don?t complain =). As I see it, it would have rock if all of the clans could play more than one season. And play themself upp in the divisions. As in for example the swedish system in soccer and hockey. That would have been great fun. For those ho don?t know how these systems work, I give a short explanation. In the highest division there is like the 8 top teams go to the finals and the 9 and 10 teams just stay in the top division. But the 11 and 12 teams have to play against the top, think it is 4 teams, in divison 2 and try to beat them for a chanse to stay in top div. And like this is it in the botom of division 2 and so on. If all of the teams whant tp play som ekind of playoffs, then it?s just to make the divisions for ex, 12 clans and the top 6 play for the higher div and the jumbos play for a stay. Sorry for my bad english I know that it sucks =) |
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Fisto, the idea would indeed be interesting but as it has been mentioned before the QW clan scene is just too unstable for that. It's very rare that clans become really better without getting new players etc..(HF would be the exception. They would have fought their way all up from Div 5 up to Div 1 winners/finalists without major lineup changes!). If you want fair divisions based on different skills, there simply is no solution other than re-sorting out the divisions every season. |
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ok now we have ultraultimatesystem that includes league,pre-playoff games,playoff games, winner and loser bracket games man this is starting to look like finnish hockey league :) I think current system is ok, only bad thing is the system was released pretty late. |
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or just let nqr be as it is now, and start a competition that have the final rule win or loose system =) All the way and in the end it is just gonna be splatt left =) |
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Its not such a bad idea strife to have one gigantic cup. It would have to include loser bracket though to make it a bit more fair. Far better than having a league and a cup. Imo nqr shouldnt have a playoff. |
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yeah as I said before. no playoffs and 4 seasons a year! And on a sidenote: Any relegation games seems difficult in qw but first thing it would require is also 4 season a year. |
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Does this mean that div 4-5 clans get to play in playoffs (bronze but still) and we (aq) not? Sorry but cant read all of this =) We were way too unskilled for div1 clans but might have had a pretty good chance in div2. |
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yep strife, that's exactly what was done in the UK. UKCL had ~6 divisions, and clans from all divisions entered the UKCL Cup. League winner was of course team with most points (or frag efficiency if tied), no playoff bs. |
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Yes thats what I am trying to tell. And I think it is very bad that qw clans cant play fore some time instead of just play a season and then start a new clan. But it is booring to play whit the same allways to. So i think the playoffs is good as it is now. |
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I agree with razor, sounds like he has picked up some nice wizdom while living in vaxjo...:P playoffs is the main event of the year in qw seeing that there are no other major leagues, and the past couple of finals and semi-finals have proven to be very tight and nice games to watch! so just keep it happening :) |
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How about a nice cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP? Play your games and if u don?t go to playoffs then play next season. And if u haven?t got bored playing all season then play some pracs... |
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yes playoffs is the main thing in nqr imo.. groupgames is just like pracgames.. the only difference is that you try to concentrate and play serious, while in pracs you often don?t really care.. in playoffs you get into hypermode and with a lucky day it?s sr done ez :< this discussion has been very fun to read but it?s so fucking useless.. all this should?ve been solved directly instead of making it to a soap opera :} |
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There's no point in the loser's bracket. It's a playoff for gods sakes, once you lose in a playoff, you're out. That's what a playoff is! And don't say "it gives more games to the losers" cos they've just had the chance to play ~15 games during the regular season. |
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Whimp, thanks for your support, but it doesn't really bother me what oosi said, I've used bad language in my earlier posts because I was angry and I feel so strongly on this issue, I can take a bit of lighthearted flaming myself. I don't need anyone to fight my corner becuase I am confident that logic and reason is on my side; as Andy hinted at, if people have to resort to thinly veiled insults or the old "its just a game, play for fun who cares about winning" chestnut then usually it's because they cannot find any flaws in the logical argument from the other party :) Over 2 months ago (before the season, so you can't accuse me of personal bias) myself and others already put forward very good reasons why this type of playoff system is bad - in fact our arguments were so sound and persuasive that the system was in fact changed to something more acceptable. I may seem a little more hostile in this debate, but that is just a natural reaction because it directly affects my clan, it doesn't change the fact that I disagree in principal as I have proved from old comments I have made. What really made me angry was the change being made after we have played all regular season games; NQR can create structures for their leagues in pre-season as they see fit, maybe we don't all agree on everything but it is their baby, it's when things are changed so late in the day which is frustrating. I had a perfectly amicable discussion with Legio last night and am more than willing to put forward my (I say 'my', but there's a lot of posters above agreeing with me) case against any arguments or reason put forward by NQR-crew. I am glad they have not taken my viewpoint as a personal attack on them; I have been quite supportive of NQR this season once the playoff structure was changed at the start of the season and I have a lot of respect for those who take the time to admin leagues and suchlike having had first hand experience of it myself. At least they are big enough to acknowledge our argument and I look forward to seeing what conclusion is reached following the next NQR meeting. As I said above, if the admins take issue with anything I have said I am more than willing to enter into further detail and explanation. I understand the pressue to sort out these playoffs and maybe the initial decision was taken without all the issues being fully raised and taken into consideration, afterall different minds think in different ways. |
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Link (80.203.229.225) 040330 @ 13:45:24 Good to see that the NQR crew are on top of things, making all the correct decisions. If you were the dictator of the world, you would do all teh right decisions :) anyways, i agree changing the playoff system during the season is kinda stupid, but done is done. Let it be a lesson for next season, where i suggest the players can decide the system, since they seem to have the perfect one in mind. |
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Norwegian Starplayers: "Nalle" :D |
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demo as promised especially for blob: www.daddied.com/~hangtime/27-08-2003_HangTime--_vs_ssc-dm3_000.qwz |
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HT: we don't feel offended by your comments, you can almost at all times express yourself in a balanced way ;) There are other players here aswell who really make sense and can debate in a proper manner and we for sure do open our ears then. Link: Don't throw stones in a house of glass..your "exellent" decision about implementing all 5 cmt-maps is unreachable even for us :D |
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tnx link!:) i realleh apreciate you thinking of meh as a superstar...????? you are my superstar, duududduddudu |
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Error: Now that's a scary thought. |
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Glad to hear that it was MY decision, and not the NQR CREWs decision. Master of Puppets. |
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error you cant say president, because you don't have president in norway/sweden and be glad about that if you watch our president. |
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Why don't we just have a gigantic QuakeWorld cup, the Nations Quake Cup or something, that any clan can join. Have random seedings or get an admin team to work them out, either way. It'd just solve all this bullshit I just spent 25 minutes reading. |
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have a cup comp like the FA cup whereby there is no seeding, no predefined brackets etc.... all is random. sr could play la in the first round or in the final... all random. could be interesting :) |
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Yeah, that'd rock! It wouldn't be too hard to make a website for it either. Come on NQR team, you can do it! |
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goljat, LINK is like the greatest man to ever grace the game of manly men. HE is worthy of a NEW GRAND position. LINK FOR PRESIDENT! |
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Well error, then I need a campaign manager, you sure made a great application! Oh, and I am not a demokrat! |
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gaz > brilliant idea :/ that would be good fun :) |
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i'm full of good ideas, i should charge for 'em really. |
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maybe ppl didn't see my message (or maybe it was just irrelevant or ppl didn't know what to reply). So i'll write it again. The system was originally thought out by myself and kryten in a desperate attempt to suit all clans and systems under one roof - NQR. Having the league aspect, as well as a tournament after where it was not just the same clans fighting each other over again. I must say I was dissapointed finding less clans in playoffs and double elimination? The whole point was to have as many clans in playoffs as possible to have a balance between "ladder-like" system and tournament, where we mixed clans from diffrent divisions in the tournaments part. Any sain intelligent human being could probably call this bluff... it can't be done with success... at least not in this enviroment. I agree with Apol, that this is really focused on the top part of the league, whilest in terms of true quake and nqr spirit it should be focusing on lower divisions as well. Again with the conflicts of trying to satisfy all. I think it's time we came to terms with the fact that we cannot keep trying to run this kind of arrangement. Bring back Villains with top quality coverage where we can really try the live commentary/qizmo cam systems to it's full capacity. Experiement with interviews, playerprofiles clanprofiles and match analisys? And finally, perhaps we should simply - simplify NQR (AM anyone?). Clanbase run ladder games, are there any playoffs there of some sort? Would a new version of NQR (new page without the bugs, better and easier match reporting/demo uploading and better stats) be enough to provide entertainment for clans throughout the skill level spectrum? So what now, RIGHt now? How to handle this situation? Pfft! With a system bound to go wrong from the get go, it dosen't make it easier that the set ammount of clans we counted on to base the playoffs on, has dimminished cause of inactivity and dropouts. Although I think with very few adjustments the original layout i made could still be used. Quite a perdiciment NQR crew got themselfs into this time. Perhaps ambitions were too high. It's all gotten eve too complex for me. Too much shit going on irl for me to try and dig into this matter - maybe your probably better without it anyway, seeing as I created this hell hole =D |
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||andy||: ok, i didnt made my opinion quite clear. seems to be, that i have to get rid of only-admin-now-not-that-lucky-bastar-player-who-cant-even-aim status. since i've first posted those comments by my own opinion, it doesnt mean that i dont care as an admin, but i dont care as an player :) so excuse me for that ||whimp||: thanks and forgive me. i also appreciate hangtimes work for qwscene, no doubt. but, i talk to everyone like that way, so, thats the sucky thing on my side and i'll try to fix it! its just cause i have a bad habit to start showing up my the most irritating sides, when i see guys goes mad/crazy about one game :) trying to fix that too. and i wanna apologize everyone who i've ever hurt. sorry, i suck, i know that, gl and ggs! :/ |
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and btw hangtime, i still dont see any reason why there should be division, where everyone goes for the golden playoffs? i agree with goljat when he says 'this looks pretty ok now, but it would've been nice if it came out earlier than now' or something like that... so fact imho :I apologizes from me, i suck, ggs |
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FA-cup is seeded.... although once the seeded teams have entered it is random. |
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sluta whina max, fall in i ledet |
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Perhaps your right Para that NQR are trying to cover more sides of qw-gaming systems than possible if we wanna do a decent controled job in what we do. We are the only active league at this moment, and a heavy responsibility lays on our shoulders to satisfy all kinds of wishes. Me for one really wishes that promotion/relegation games should be standard in all divs, but when the scene act as instable as it does, with new clans every season and clans that quit's during seasons it's damn hard to get such a system to work properly. I've been growing an idea that we perhaps should create a council in our community were we invite people that really care and have good ideas and visions about future qw-gaming. There we could share ideas and talk about the development of gaming leagues like NQR but also across boarders between other leagues/tournaments. But that's just an idea, dunno if it would work in reality :) |
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Puts a leach on Oosi, "it's ok now...don't bite any more players in the ass!" Just kidding Oosi :), nice of you to appolgy for your behavior, when you've gone to far in some comments. We still love j00... ;). |
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i never go too far, just because i suck, ggs |
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Yes legio! we need a high qw council. |
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Well ok error, noted that you think that. However that was not my "idea" it was Icce's :)! |
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error proves his excellent reading skills once again :) |
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well if we are going revise this playoff system, then i'd suggest we just dump the whole loser's bracket, too? any objections to that idea? i mean if it is going to be revised anyway, wouldn't it be reasonable to alter the double elimination system if that's what the players would prefer? |
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great to see some whine. sure don't get enought of THAT these days. |
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yes, atleast the loser bracket system put forth. if you want a loser bracket do it the normal way. |
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i don't think there's any point having a loser's bracket. usually the point of a loser's bracket is to give people the chance to play more games, but is there a need for this, just after the regular season? |
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well i can't speak for other admins, of course, but i fail to see any need or, perhaps even more importantly, any desire for dbl elimination. |
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haha error.
yeah, bring high qw council and this one is settled. |
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loser brackets = more games = ownage! |
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who cares! ppl don?t even play their saeson games, do u really think they will play lb games? |
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check mapstats btw.
tb3 is like atleast 60 maps ahead of cmt4 :(. Looks like the old maps still are the most popular anyway |
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You can view losers bracket from different angles. Our view was to give even a little bit more exitement to the playoffs and the audience. Why we didn't let the LB teams a chance to fight for a higher spot than 3:rd place is simply because we don't think a team that has lose one game already really should be given a chance to scoop it all, but still could be in for a third placement. So this is not an inventory just to give teams an opportunity to play more games first of all. But if you think this sux bit time we will not force you into it. |
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\o\ \o/ \\o buurn baby buurn o// Diiisco iiiinfeeerno |
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Why have no games been played these days? Is arguing all the QW-scene is able to manage now? Sad. |
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I have not read all the posts but i feel sorry for hyphen who are a very strong team not making it to gold playoffs.. i bet my mom that they?ll beat div-2/3 top teams(when they don?t timeout och are drunk) :) but hangtime(and the rest) after having so much bad luck in group games, own the silver playoffs instaid :) that sounds fun too me |
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Firehoppir: We can't own Silver Playoffs, cos we are not allowed in them. Or Gold, or Bronze, or Losers bracket. Our season finished on 17/03/04, so no more NQR for ~6 months I guess \o/ |
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-- Blob (80.221.25.107) 040330 @ 12:48:49 -- HangTime, you said you have pracced vs ssc. We add all pracs to our homepage and we haven't played against Hyphen, ever. - - - - - - - - - - Hhe.. then I suppose the 2 certain pracs where FU won didn't ever happen :) |
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Well I wouldn't be to sure about that HT..as we said we consider this issue and changes are ahead. |
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Nqr should just be a league only imo and not bother with playoffs at all. With playoffs atm you have a 10 week season thats more or less pointless. There is no point in even playing all your games in most of the divisions. You might get a higher seeding in the playoffs but it doesn't help because the lower seeds aren't the weaker clans they're just the idler ones. |
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If we look at it from this side of the question. We play playoff just to have fun and som very nice games (as I see it). Playoffs own, when two great teams meet echother(spelling?) in the ordinary divisions then its fun tp spec. But when you spec (or play =) ) when it is a playoff win or loose game, then there is more prestige in it. So it would be great if all just let the nqr crew handle this season and then to the next one, maybe we all could try come up whit a new way to handle the playoff, if we still whant to have it. |
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And telly, why not just play for fun? Every game you play should be a game you like to play. I is not fun to win your division? Or get a high posiotion? I hope all of you think it is fun whit playoff. If we just like playoff, make a win or loose league then and quit play in nqr. It is to mutch complaining at the moment. |
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actually there is too little whining from you fisto. you rule at whining! |
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Fun fun fun fun fun. Yea yea, it's summer and you all love the Beach Boys, don't you? Telly is right, there's no need for playoffs at all in this LEAGUE :) |
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horatio all clans doesnt know cmt4 like tb3 yet, so it's popularity will only continue to grow. |
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I might organise and run the Nations Quake Cup - a single elmination cup tournament for the summer when there are plenty of bored quakers around ... who's up for it?! |
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omg gaz.. I?m in if I can join fips :< |
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cmt4 sucks, all clans will see that in due time |
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horatio, please stop whining about cmt4, it's getting very boring |
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Strife and EQ's love for cmt4 needs to stepped on gaz, we can not sit back while they try to make that a "standard" map, not now, not ever. k? :) |
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I really like CMT4 thought. But yeah it's getting a bit tiresome with both sides of the argument constantly pushing their case where it isn't even relevent. |
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gaz, you realleh sux in english, realleh!!! |
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CMT4 owns, better then DM2 zzzz spawnfragging |
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androm9 rocks. Let that be said by a fucking foreigner!!!! |
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Sure cmt4 rox, you know it now, coz it was forced upon you. Imagine if you got forced to play a map that is even better. |
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Yep, force cmt5b/cmt2 upon us now and I will be happy. |
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"Sure cmt4 rox, you know it now, coz it was forced upon you. Imagine if you got forced to play a map that is even better." I knew that way before you had pubic hair. Oh and there are some other maps I was forced to play which are quite good. None of which from the cmt series, though. I don't like cmt4, I'm talking about the original. The changes made to it suck. |
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i agree 100% with everyone that have posted here |
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andy is god, he's much older than 56. maybe around 82. |
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Sure andy, 2 LGs, 2 RLs, 2 RAs and lots more ammo sure is more suited for todays 4on4, I couldnt agree more! And just for the record: I would imagine that I got pubic hair a long time before you got it, unless you are born before -71 |
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tb3 tb3 tb3 tn3 tb3 tb3 tb3 tb3 tb3 tb3 tb3 tb3 tb3 |
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and gaz stfu, i can whine all i want i am swedish, cmt4 sux and u know it |
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I was born 2000 BC!!!!!! Oh and yes, it WAS better the old way. At least to me. And you can't tell me what I have to like better. |
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Well I would guess the earlier andromeda was better for people who cant aim. Imo every map has too many rox except for e1m2. Kind of sad really that not map makers limit the ammo so that preserving rox becomes a skill. |
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i disagree, if you want to do resource management go and play command & conquer! :P |
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dra helvete? jag tycker det ?r fett urball?!?! |
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Gaz if you want to play with 100 rox/cells play dmm4 :) |
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#230 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now stfu plz, u r owned. |
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hangtime: stop using your otherwise worthwhile post to accuse fraomatics. we are not delaying our games because we are polishing our shape for the playoffs, we are simply very busy with our real life endeavours. if i was playing in the premier league, as your flawed analogy suggests, i wouldn't have those kind of distractions to deal with. |
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i guess what you are looking for is a tougher policy against the clans who can't keep up with the schedule. well i obviously can't comment on that, but fyi, if you see me playing a prac game its because i like to play quake, not because i'm acting off some deviously concieved plan to push hyphen out of the playoffs. keep me out of your argument with the NQR staff please. |
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in next nqr... too not make the map misstake by adding e2m2tdm too the map pool.. add a lot of maps and let clans set points on their 3 favorite maps. 3 points on the favourite 2 for the next best and so on.. and we might have a map poll that as many quakers as possible will like.. and of course tb4 will be seeded :P |
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e2m2tdm was not placed in the map pool, it was voted on, so it was not a mistake. The BIG MISTAKE however, was that cmt4 was included as "tb4", not getting voted on, but just put inn. Did you get that cmt4 lover? :) |
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e2m2tdm was voted in only because of lack of better alternatives, at the time people didn't know it sucked either :) |
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e3m6tdm and e3m7tdm...lack of better alternatives? allow me to lol :) |
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Rx 7 games in more than 2 months ? You think thats fine ? RL endavours or not, i think 7 games are not very impressive. You are grown up guys, who enlist in a league, why not take the time to play the games :) |
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