Battle Info  2004-10-27 1B - Week 6 (4)

Insanity! 2 - 1 The Axemen

DM3 - The Abandoned Base





E1M2 - Castle of the Damned





DM2 - Claustrophobopolis




optimizer - 80.126.180.*** 2004-10-27 23:32:30
screen 1 and 2: examples of insanity when optimizer does NOT play.
screen 3: example of insanity when optimizer does play. ;<
ps: ventrilo ownz! Isanity back in bussines :{{{
Purity - 129.125.102.*** 2004-10-28 01:05:45
Someone's got issues around here, wouldn't know who ... :P
TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** 2004-10-28 01:11:37
If its true that Insanity used ventrilo, I would like to make a complain. They had 2-3 specs. How can I know that they havent been on the voice giving sensitive information to the playing Insanity players? Its not an attempt to be lame, but I just want to create a debate around the issue. I hope this is a wakeup call for all players and admins of NQR.
Since there is no clear rule against any kind of voice+spec, I suggest we should try to talk about it, and find a workable solution.
Alow only cams with 1min delay?
Give a fuck and dont care if teams wanna use this chance to get an advantage over the oppenent? Or perhaps forbidd mm3?
Imho, I think 3. choice is unduable. 2. is bad for 4on4 online play/leagues. And 1. is difficult since we play the league matches on public servers, and not enough admins to control each game.
And for those of you, unfamiliar with mm3, and think my thoughts is lame, and think; "It doesnt matter if they have voice with specs or not. The game is too fast." Well, Im sorry. But you are wrong.
Now, I would like to see some comments about this. What do YOU think?
TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** 2004-10-28 01:15:37
I would also like to add, that my intention is not to get a WO, nor rematch. The results are fine. Insanity rockz0r in the bokz0r on dm2. But clearly, I would love the admins to make an effort and do something about the issue.
Angua - 82.182.32.*** 2004-10-28 01:18:32
"Teams having players communicating through other means then in game features or team messages (message mode 2) are required to notify the admin. This includes the use of the voice communication capabilities of Qizmo or a similar or other methods. Only the players currently playing the game are allowed in the voice channel (Qizmo, TS, Vent)! The admin can impose restrictions on spectators of that team." - from the rules-section
TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** 2004-10-28 01:19:38
And of course I suck at reading rules. :>>>>>>
But nevertheless, how can we be sure, that they dont have more than 4 on their voicecom-server?
manu - 130.235.174.*** 2004-10-28 01:20:20
TiMMI: i think you have a point, the rules should be more clear in this area, we will take it up and try to define the rules better.
FlePser - 80.60.182.*** 2004-10-28 01:39:37
When we with SD have a game we have quite a few sd/sd2 players who watch the game, would kinda rude for them to deny them access. Ofcourse you can set one specslot free who can be cam for the viewers, or something like that.
FlePser - 80.60.182.*** 2004-10-28 01:46:57
GG tho, optimizer makes the team....
Milton - 62.165.128.*** 2004-10-28 01:57:02
Just force clans to record their mm3.
Purity - 129.125.102.*** 2004-10-28 02:02:24
You gonna listen to all the recorded games Milton?
fix - 213.169.30.*** 2004-10-28 02:15:11
miltons only listens those recordsesssions when there are special guests few weeks ago :D
ocoini - 80.202.94.*** 2004-10-28 02:36:24
The rules sound pretty clear to me, guess Insanity just forgot to tell admins this time ;)

Better to just ban voice coms in nqr games though... Makes it more fair too ('no com clan' vs 'com clan') or what you want to call it. And clans wont need an admin present to check up on them..
Angua - 82.182.32.*** 2004-10-28 04:13:45
well ocoini, the problem is that it's totally impossible to ban it successfully, you can't know where the clans use use their communication. They could be sitting at the same place too, impossible for admins to see... Just like eggclocks/angelina.
panic - 217.210.241.*** 2004-10-28 05:07:40
i think you should record songs over teamspeak
Legio! - 213.141.72.*** 2004-10-28 08:24:18
To Police this issue is hard, extreamly hard. But however if clans use common sense about this they should now it is wrong to have more then 4 players on your voice communication software during an official NQR Game. But if we receive a complaint and somehow manage do get evidence of a clan "cheating" and allowing clanmates spec/talk/relay enemy positions during game we will take serious actions on that clan.
Rage - 213.136.25.*** 2004-10-28 08:29:02
TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** 2004-10-28 08:29:42
I think a solution might be to give serverip/pass to voicecom to the opponent, so that they can check whenever they want. If they're paranoid, they can even idle in a match, multitasking and control the other team. :)
TuoppI - 195.148.82.*** 2004-10-28 08:58:09
OR, all teams should give their voice adress and password to Nqr admins. They could check during games if other team is x11t0rz.
error - 129.16.116.*** 2004-10-28 09:23:54
What about clans that dont tell you they use voice com? There is no siimple way to police this and I think we just have to trust our fellow qwers. Spectators 0 here we come.
snake - 217.73.97.*** 2004-10-28 09:45:50
gaz - 81.77.226.*** 2004-10-28 09:47:39
HLTV has a nice solution to this: the HLTV specs see a delayed version of the game. The length of this delay is adjustable via rcon; why not introduce a delay feature to ktpro? I dunno if this is even possible mind....

Anyway QW is quite fast so a 30-45 second delay would be sufficient...
optimizer - 80.126.180.*** 2004-10-28 09:59:53
But as u can see we only had aki speccing and he seriously hasn't got a working mic (not a lie!!! :x ) We only did ventrilo cheating 1 time with prac vs sd and that was because: 1: i just entered the specbench with insanity praccing, and since i was on the ventrilo channel with them and reason 2 i though, hey why not help them a bit. 2: they always have a spec and im damn sure those evil satanic cheating b4st4rds (especially flep!!! ;> ) are always doing it themselves too.
error - 213.114.99.*** 2004-10-28 10:33:07
Fucking cheat optimizer. I guess we really need spectators 0 or some kind of delayed spectating.
gnorfy - 83.226.90.*** 2004-10-28 10:36:11
work on the delay solution, it works for all parties? both the "non voice clan" and the "voice clan"... but maybe it's planned for qwtv?
optimizer - 80.126.180.*** 2004-10-28 10:38:13
Not to mention the wallhack, aimbot and modified models i used because they forgot to do f_modifed. I really am a fucking cheater. :{ Could u ever forgive me error?
dje - 81.227.100.*** 2004-10-28 10:39:01
delay specs is a great idea, in qw smth like 10-20 secs would be more than enough.
Max Rebo - 62.181.254.*** 2004-10-28 11:09:07
The mythical QW-TV project is said to feature a delay, at least according to Paradoks.
gaz - 193.195.82.*** 2004-10-28 12:04:24
My guess is also that the mythical QW-TV project is just that; mythical.
murdoc - 82.169.170.*** 2004-10-28 13:48:33
what about ggs? except this nonsence
optimizer - 80.126.180.*** 2004-10-28 15:11:13
Murd0c is always so right :(
ps: NEVER take my comments seriously
Grass - 81.197.41.*** 2004-10-28 15:34:23
VOICE = XIIT! too many teams use that cheat system nowadays, we cannot be sure, when they are cheating if there are spectators! voice banned yes yes1!11
Gamer - 193.166.235.*** 2004-10-28 15:54:28
qwtv should be priority #1 if we want qw to be fair. At the moment there is no way to tell if some teams cheat with voicecom. Only qwtv cams + admins allowed to spec and 30sec delay in qwtv would fix this problem.
Goljat - 193.185.55.*** 2004-10-28 17:04:42
or just make autotrack for mvd demos, then we can use maxspectator 0.
TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** 2004-10-28 17:57:37
Grass: Banning voice? Because its cheat? Okay, so when you play at lan, its should be forbidden to speak with teammates? Lol.
Hagge - 217.210.145.*** 2004-10-28 19:36:26
omg plz start a thread on a forum or something instead? this is for commentating the game k :< a great game by insanity!! demos plz?? me wanna watch some hot dutchies! \o/ and will be interesting to see what axemen can do after a few more played maps :>
snake - 217.209.103.*** 2004-10-28 23:12:32
or just make autotrack for mvd demos, then we can use maxspectator 0.
yea that would like NOT take any bandwidth at all :D 400 people downloading and watching the demo in realtime, gg hf gg pld goljat gg good gg
Horatio - 212.214.218.*** 2004-10-29 10:51:09
mm2 is the best teamplay com anyway...

mm3 is good for lanplaying and cheating
clox - 138.233.96.*** 2004-10-29 14:05:43
kolla wigge, het som chili
spoque - 82.92.191.*** 2004-10-30 17:46:31
Trash - 213.67.57.*** 2004-11-01 12:00:45
Another thing in this issue must be when u play vs clans that are @ lan? We just played mums and they were at lan and had spectators that also were at same lan. Now i just mention mums coz i know they had lan, no offense vs them, but isnt this the same thing? should you ban the other guys at that lan from speccing? Pretty hard issue i think.
Trash - 213.67.57.*** 2004-11-01 12:03:30
One thing you can do about voice is to get an admin on the vent to listen. or just idle on the vent and see that there are just the 4 players on vent during the game?

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