| optimizer - 80.126.180.*** |
2004-10-27 23:32:30 |
screen 1 and 2: examples of insanity when optimizer does NOT
play.
screen 3:
example of insanity when optimizer does play. ;<
ps: ventrilo
ownz!
Isanity back in bussines :{{{ |
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| Purity - 129.125.102.*** |
2004-10-28 01:05:45 |
| Someone's got issues around here, wouldn't know who ... :P |
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| TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** |
2004-10-28 01:11:37 |
If its true that Insanity used ventrilo, I would like to make a
complain. They
had 2-3 specs. How can I know that they havent been on the voice
giving
sensitive information to the playing Insanity players? Its not an
attempt to be
lame, but I just want to create a debate around the issue. I hope this
is a
wakeup call for all players and admins of NQR.
Since there is no
clear rule
against any kind of voice+spec, I suggest we should try to talk about
it, and
find a workable solution.
Alow only cams with 1min delay?
Give
a fuck
and dont care if teams wanna use this chance to get an advantage over
the
oppenent? Or perhaps forbidd mm3?
Imho, I think 3. choice is
unduable. 2.
is bad for 4on4 online play/leagues. And 1. is difficult since we play
the
league matches on public servers, and not enough admins to control
each game.
And for those of you, unfamiliar with mm3, and think my thoughts
is lame,
and think; "It doesnt matter if they have voice with specs or not. The
game is
too fast." Well, Im sorry. But you are wrong.
Now, I would like
to see
some comments about this. What do YOU think? |
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| TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** |
2004-10-28 01:15:37 |
I would also like to add, that my intention is not to get a WO, nor
rematch. The
results are fine. Insanity rockz0r in the bokz0r on dm2. But clearly,
I would
love the admins to make an effort and do something about the
issue.
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| Angua - 82.182.32.*** |
2004-10-28 01:18:32 |
| "Teams having players communicating through other means then in game
features
or team messages (message mode 2) are required to notify the admin.
This
includes the use of the voice communication capabilities of Qizmo or a
similar
or other methods. Only the players currently playing the game are
allowed in the
voice channel (Qizmo, TS, Vent)! The admin can impose restrictions on
spectators
of that team." - from the rules-section |
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| TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** |
2004-10-28 01:19:38 |
And of course I suck at reading rules.
:>>>>>>
But
nevertheless, how can we be sure, that they dont have more than 4 on
their
voicecom-server? |
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| manu - 130.235.174.*** |
2004-10-28 01:20:20 |
| TiMMI: i think you have a point, the rules should be more clear in
this area, we
will take it up and try to define the rules better. |
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| FlePser - 80.60.182.*** |
2004-10-28 01:39:37 |
| When we with SD have a game we have quite a few sd/sd2 players who
watch the
game, would kinda rude for them to deny them access. Ofcourse you can
set one
specslot free who can be cam for the viewers, or something like that. |
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| FlePser - 80.60.182.*** |
2004-10-28 01:46:57 |
| GG tho, optimizer makes the team.... |
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| Milton - 62.165.128.*** |
2004-10-28 01:57:02 |
| Just force clans to record their mm3. |
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| Purity - 129.125.102.*** |
2004-10-28 02:02:24 |
| You gonna listen to all the recorded games Milton? |
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| fix - 213.169.30.*** |
2004-10-28 02:15:11 |
| miltons only listens those recordsesssions when there are special
guests
performing...like few weeks ago :D |
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| ocoini - 80.202.94.*** |
2004-10-28 02:36:24 |
The rules sound pretty clear to me, guess Insanity just forgot to tell
admins
this time ;)
Better to just ban voice coms in nqr games
though... Makes
it more fair too ('no com clan' vs 'com clan') or what you want to
call it.
And clans wont need an admin present to check up on them.. |
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| Angua - 82.182.32.*** |
2004-10-28 04:13:45 |
| well ocoini, the problem is that it's totally impossible to ban it
successfully, you can't know where the clans use use their
communication. They
could be sitting at the same place too, impossible for admins to
see... Just
like eggclocks/angelina. |
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| panic - 217.210.241.*** |
2004-10-28 05:07:40 |
| i think you should record songs over teamspeak |
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| Legio! - 213.141.72.*** |
2004-10-28 08:24:18 |
| To Police this issue is hard, extreamly hard. But however if clans use
common
sense about this they should now it is wrong to have more then 4
players on your
voice communication software during an official NQR Game. But if we
receive a
complaint and somehow manage do get evidence of a clan "cheating" and
allowing
clanmates spec/talk/relay enemy positions during game we will take
serious
actions on that clan. |
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| Rage - 213.136.25.*** |
2004-10-28 08:29:02 |
| yaaaaaay! |
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| TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** |
2004-10-28 08:29:42 |
| I think a solution might be to give serverip/pass to voicecom to the
opponent,
so that they can check whenever they want. If they're paranoid, they
can even
idle in a match, multitasking and control the other team. :) |
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| TuoppI - 195.148.82.*** |
2004-10-28 08:58:09 |
| OR, all teams should give their voice adress and password to Nqr
admins. They
could check during games if other team is x11t0rz. |
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| error - 129.16.116.*** |
2004-10-28 09:23:54 |
| What about clans that dont tell you they use voice com? There is no
siimple way
to police this and I think we just have to trust our fellow qwers.
Spectators 0
here we come. |
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| snake - 217.73.97.*** |
2004-10-28 09:45:50 |
| whine |
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| gaz - 81.77.226.*** |
2004-10-28 09:47:39 |
HLTV has a nice solution to this: the HLTV specs see a delayed version
of the
game. The length of this delay is adjustable via rcon; why not
introduce a delay
feature to ktpro? I dunno if this is even possible mind....
Anyway QW
is quite fast so a 30-45 second delay would be sufficient... |
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| optimizer - 80.126.180.*** |
2004-10-28 09:59:53 |
| But as u can see we only had aki speccing and he seriously hasn't got
a working
mic (not a lie!!! :x ) We only did ventrilo cheating 1 time with prac
vs sd and
that was because: 1: i just entered the specbench with insanity
praccing, and
since i was on the ventrilo channel with them and reason 2 i though,
hey why not
help them a bit. 2: they always have a spec and im damn sure those
evil satanic
cheating b4st4rds (especially flep!!! ;> ) are always doing it
themselves
too. |
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| error - 213.114.99.*** |
2004-10-28 10:33:07 |
| Fucking cheat optimizer. I guess we really need spectators 0 or some
kind of
delayed spectating. |
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| gnorfy - 83.226.90.*** |
2004-10-28 10:36:11 |
| work on the delay solution, it works for all parties? both the "non
voice
clan" and the "voice clan"... but maybe it's planned for qwtv? |
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| optimizer - 80.126.180.*** |
2004-10-28 10:38:13 |
| Not to mention the wallhack, aimbot and modified models i used because
they
forgot to do f_modifed. I really am a fucking cheater. :{ Could u ever
forgive
me error? |
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| dje - 81.227.100.*** |
2004-10-28 10:39:01 |
| delay specs is a great idea, in qw smth like 10-20 secs would be more
than
enough. |
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| Max Rebo - 62.181.254.*** |
2004-10-28 11:09:07 |
| The mythical QW-TV project is said to feature a delay, at least
according to
Paradoks. |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2004-10-28 12:04:24 |
| My guess is also that the mythical QW-TV project is just that;
mythical. |
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| murdoc - 82.169.170.*** |
2004-10-28 13:48:33 |
| what about ggs? except this nonsence |
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| optimizer - 80.126.180.*** |
2004-10-28 15:11:13 |
Murd0c is always so right :(
ps: NEVER take my comments seriously |
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| Grass - 81.197.41.*** |
2004-10-28 15:34:23 |
| VOICE = XIIT! too many teams use that cheat system nowadays, we cannot
be sure,
when they are cheating if there are spectators! voice banned yes
yes1!11 |
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| Gamer - 193.166.235.*** |
2004-10-28 15:54:28 |
| qwtv should be priority #1 if we want qw to be fair. At the moment
there is no
way to tell if some teams cheat with voicecom. Only qwtv cams + admins
allowed
to spec and 30sec delay in qwtv would fix this problem. |
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| Goljat - 193.185.55.*** |
2004-10-28 17:04:42 |
| or just make autotrack for mvd demos, then we can use maxspectator 0. |
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| TiMMi - 80.203.71.*** |
2004-10-28 17:57:37 |
| Grass: Banning voice? Because its cheat? Okay, so when you play at
lan, its
should be forbidden to speak with teammates? Lol. |
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| Hagge - 217.210.145.*** |
2004-10-28 19:36:26 |
| omg plz start a thread on a forum or something instead? this is for
commentating
the game k :< a great game by insanity!! demos plz?? me wanna watch
some hot
dutchies! \o/ and will be interesting to see what axemen can do after
a few
more played maps :> |
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| snake - 217.209.103.*** |
2004-10-28 23:12:32 |
or just make autotrack for mvd demos, then we can use maxspectator
0.
yea
that would like NOT take any bandwidth at all :D 400 people
downloading and
watching the demo in realtime, gg hf gg pld goljat gg good gg |
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| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2004-10-29 10:51:09 |
mm2 is the best teamplay com anyway...
mm3 is good for
lanplaying and
cheating |
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| clox - 138.233.96.*** |
2004-10-29 14:05:43 |
| kolla wigge, het som chili |
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| spoque - 82.92.191.*** |
2004-10-30 17:46:31 |
biertje?
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| Trash - 213.67.57.*** |
2004-11-01 12:00:45 |
| Another thing in this issue must be when u play vs clans that are @
lan? We just
played mums and they were at lan and had spectators that also were at
same lan.
Now i just mention mums coz i know they had lan, no offense vs them,
but isnt
this the same thing? should you ban the other guys at that lan from
speccing?
Pretty hard issue i think. |
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| Trash - 213.67.57.*** |
2004-11-01 12:03:30 |
| One thing you can do about voice is to get an admin on the vent to
listen. or
just idle on the vent and see that there are just the 4 players on
vent during
the game? |
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