| phrenic - 81.229.26.*** |
2005-01-17 00:57:18 |
| :) |
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|
| moris - 146.102.89.*** |
2005-01-17 00:57:47 |
| bastard |
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|
| Grievre - 24.189.108.*** |
2005-01-17 00:59:04 |
| NO DONT |
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| xhrl - 24.80.50.*** |
2005-01-17 01:23:59 |
| ggs....the big 3 didn't go at all like i had anticipated. |
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| Goljat - 193.185.55.*** |
2005-01-17 01:34:40 |
| well at least cmf gonna rape sr in the final, so dont worry. |
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|
| FlePser - 80.60.182.*** |
2005-01-17 01:35:49 |
| Paradoks played really stong, he pulled SR through! |
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| mooniz - 80.186.104.*** |
2005-01-17 01:36:30 |
| Yeah sure! cmf is the hottest clan of finals! Atleast we won HF in sd4
with WO
;DD |
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| willgurht - 130.236.227.*** |
2005-01-17 01:51:00 |
lets say SR started with picking dm2, LA could have avoided kenya-maps
by
picking dm2 aswell, cos it would have been 5x dm2 then?
right? |
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|
| zzz - 81.229.129.*** |
2005-01-17 02:18:49 |
| this fucking kenya maps are killing quake. |
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| Goljat - 62.236.235.*** |
2005-01-17 02:38:59 |
| zzz: this season is been the most active one in nqr history, so your
point is
kinda wrong :E |
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|
| crazymac - 212.242.210.*** |
2005-01-17 02:55:58 |
| I think there is so many people afraid to play new maps in general and
that is
really killing quake. The reason I play QW is that I think it has the
best 3D
engine. everything is really good the only thing that it needs is some
new maps.
tb3 are great maps, cmt4 is really nice also.. but thats not alot of
options.
Long time ago people could choose from any map they wanted and you
just had to
learn and adapt, that was kinda cool... |
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| xorcist - 213.113.158.*** |
2005-01-17 05:22:03 |
| CMT really rocks, but cm suck alot :/ |
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| phrenic - 81.229.26.*** |
2005-01-17 06:33:33 |
| CMT maps is really needed, well.. ppl say "kenya" - cmt3, cmt4 should
not be
allowed, don't say it unless you have good reasons, like bugs and
stuffs like
that. sr didn't won just because of the "kenya", la had just as mutch
time as
sr to practise it, sr won, dm3, cmt3, cmt4, because of better
teamplay, learn to
live with it :) .. nice comment Goljat. |
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|
| oosi - 84.240.70.*** |
2005-01-17 06:39:12 |
| quake is still more than those fucking stupid tb3 maps |
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| OPA|Metz - 145.253.144.*** |
2005-01-17 08:01:53 |
| omg, who woulda thunk it? LA is out? the world will be thrown into
chaos i tell
ya! cats and dogs living together!! |
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|
| Babel - 213.112.29.*** |
2005-01-17 08:37:13 |
| GG Xerial! |
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| Hell[ssc] - 62.73.35.*** |
2005-01-17 08:40:17 |
I really don't think that sr will win the finals without Paradoks
because he's
propably joining ssc. Here's the
evidence:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/kinnari/misc/omg_para_in_ssc.jpg
La
is going to own nqr8 if Blob is joining them as rumored. |
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|
| Hagge - 217.210.144.*** |
2005-01-17 09:27:44 |
| omg para = traitor! well my opinion on cmtmaps, is to keep them out of
the fkn
playoffs just like other seasons. how much fun is it to watch cmt3 as
decider?
or cmt4 at all? in my world la won this game 2-1 :> |
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|
| Rage - 213.136.25.*** |
2005-01-17 09:30:35 |
Nice surprise! SR does it again! Well this looks like the year that
cMF is gonna
take the title home, but then again SR(without hib or gol) does beat
LA, which
is an great prestation.
Imo nothing is certain for the finals. You
just
never know with SR and with cMF who always miss the title somehow.
Anyways this were some nice games. I actually enjoyed
watching cmt4,
which was the first time. Haven't seen cmt3 tho.
LA did seem a bit
weak,
but maybe that was just me. memil playing every map was a bit strange
imo, since
he doesn't play regurlary.
While striker and riker seem in great
shape
they were benched.
|
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-17 10:29:09 |
| Xerial's SG pentrun on CMT3 was crucial!! |
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| Haggis - 62.101.203.*** |
2005-01-17 10:30:00 |
This map discussion is getting kinda old. Dm2, dm3, e1m2 for 8 years
now...zzZZzZZz
gg sr and good luck in the finals. |
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|
| Nosfer4tu - 213.205.85.*** |
2005-01-17 10:43:54 |
| Well...Paradoks is just playing is best teamplay for a long long time.
It?s not
just hib, it?s not just sr luck...Well... |
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|
| tyrone - 82.74.45.*** |
2005-01-17 11:11:19 |
| nah hell[SSC], he was playing for fips man...
http://members.home.nl/firehawk/fuhquake021.jpg |
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|
| Apollyon - 160.45.22.*** |
2005-01-17 11:27:12 |
| Skandal!? This must be a huge disappointment for LA. After seeing them
on QH-Lan
i expected a 3-0 victory here. And like Rage i wonder why Memil got to
play
instead of Striker/Riker. |
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| Goljat - 85.76.132.*** |
2005-01-17 11:42:31 |
| para plays like dag in old -FF- :E so dag start to play like in good
old days,
because riker cant play that aggressive role, Be :E |
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| seeker - 194.47.211.*** |
2005-01-17 11:58:05 |
| haggis, lol "Dm2, dm3, e1m2 for 8 years now". get ure facts right
plz. the
tb3 takeover came 99 mostly cause quake sm 99 (never happend cause
zander97
stole all the cash) only allowed those maps and ppl only wanted to
prac them. |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-17 12:00:49 |
| tyrone :D |
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| dak - 213.113.123.*** |
2005-01-17 12:02:13 |
There is certainly a need for good custom maps. But I wouldn't call
CMT4 a good
custom map. CMT3 has potential - some things that break it, for
example a good
spawn it's very hard to recover from, I get the feeling that RA is a
bit too
much to have that close to quad, etc.
CMT4 is just all shaft.
Get the
shafts and don't drop any packs and you win. End of story. That's hard
to fix
in any other way than to remove shaft. Which would break CMT4 since
it's a
povdmm4 map in every other room. |
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|
| Adolf Hitler - 212.214.243.*** |
2005-01-17 12:28:33 |
| runka mig! SIEG TECH! |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-17 12:30:01 |
| Very funny Legance. |
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| Babel - 213.112.29.*** |
2005-01-17 12:36:16 |
Well, you cant say that la won the nqr semi because of the 2-1 in tb3.
Nqr IS
tb3,cmt3,cmt4 and to win that leauge you have to be good on all these
maps. Its
kinda the same to join a total kenya tourney, loose all maps and then
say that
you didnt loose a singel game. just because all the losses were on
kenyamaps.
But you Can say that la won in the spirit of
qw or
something =). It would be so damn much nicer to se only tb3 in the
playoffs,
atleast in div1. Its not fun to watch cmt4...
Agree with
seeker there,
get your damn facts right, before you make some stupid statement.
|
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| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-17 12:40:34 |
| la = moral winners :/ |
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|
| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-17 12:50:38 |
| besides hagge, if la is tb3 winners, maybe they should have won the
tb3 3-0... |
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|
| RECORDock^holmes - 84.10.120.*** |
2005-01-17 12:55:17 |
| maybe jokeydm3 instead of dm3 and dm2revx instead of dm2 in next nqr?
=D and yes
there is need to do some extranew map for tdm but always there will be
someone
to negate it. *boom* |
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|
| Babel - 213.112.29.*** |
2005-01-17 12:56:39 |
| So what is 2-1 in tb3 then? Not a tb3 win? =) |
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|
| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-17 13:07:48 |
| to win this game on tb3 win they would have to take 3-0 on tb3 and
loose the
cmts :( |
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|
| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-17 13:08:17 |
| that is if all 5 maps where played |
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|
| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-17 13:08:44 |
| otherwise in best of 3 games 2-1 is ofc a win |
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|
| anni - 212.202.55.*** |
2005-01-17 13:15:20 |
I enjoyed the semifinals very much and looking forward to the
finals.
plz upload demos asap, thx |
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|
| Blob - 80.221.26.*** |
2005-01-17 13:45:36 |
Why is it everytime when a major clan loses an important game because
of
"kenya" map choices there's lot's of controversy whether they should
have
been banned in the next leaque. Why are QW-people so lazy? Most of us
have been
playing this game for years and we don't want to play any other maps
than tb3?
Oh come on, don't you think that's a bit boring. I think this tb3-only
comes
from clans that don't practise often. Everybody knows tb3-tactics by
now and
they rely on that. They don't have the time or will to prac new maps.
And
that's just sad that those who don't take part actively in the
QW-scene make
these map choices. End of rant.
And congratulations to
Slackers for
beating LA! I think this was probably one of the things that juiced up
this
seasen when everyone was like "LA - CMF finals already". |
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|
| Apollyon - 160.45.22.*** |
2005-01-17 14:10:11 |
| Word Blob. The quality of cmt3 and cmt4 can be questioned, i am sure
there are
better and more entertaining maps out there, but the days of tb3 only
are
fortunately long since gone. |
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|
| loxarn - 195.198.219.*** |
2005-01-17 14:22:31 |
| :) |
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|
| Haggis - 62.101.203.*** |
2005-01-17 14:27:20 |
| Well, i said we have been playing dm3,dm2 ,e1m2 etc for 8 years.
Seeker said tb3
was mostly after 99, so its 5-6 years then, big fucking difference. My
point was
that there is more maps to quake than tb3. But i guess it all falls
back to the
wise words of Blob, sad but true :/ |
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|
| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-17 14:32:52 |
I disagree with Blob. I've read many opinions from top players on CMT
maps and
their criticisms are often not just "lol kenya sux zzz", but they have
well-founded arguments. Just ask angua or mrlame for example. mrlame
will point
out that CMT3 is too dominated by the shaft and angua will say similar
about
quad room on CMT4.
There is criticism from people that don't
learn
the maps but the majority comes from people like the above guys +
dakoth etc
that have played the maps and learnt them, and still don't like them. |
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|
| Max Rebo - 62.181.254.*** |
2005-01-17 14:47:08 |
| Yeah, TB3 from early 99, but even before that DM3 and DM2 were the
most played
maps (especially if you look outside Scandinavia), and E1M2 was around
to a
lesser degree also. So, yes, it's been DM3, DM2 and E1M2 for 8+
years. |
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|
| Vertigo - 157.24.219.*** |
2005-01-17 14:48:49 |
| I could easily write 20 pages long column about the flaws in the TB3
maps. But I
won't, because those are great maps anyways. |
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|
| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-17 14:55:48 |
| I know this vertigo, I was just responding to the idea that people
only dislike
CMT maps because they are unfamiliar with them. |
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|
| Max Rebo - 62.181.254.*** |
2005-01-17 15:21:25 |
Strange, gaz, in the "Kenya haters" camp I find the thoughtful critics
a
minority, especially during and after yesterday's game where "BORING"
"KENYA
SUXX" "TB3 ONLY PLZ" "LEAVE WO ON CMT LA!!" were the standard fare.
MrLame
has repeatedly voiced his opinion on "TB3 only", of course he'll find
faults
in every other map if that is his starting point in the
debate.
And
Dakoth still hasn't answered my question on qw.nu on how come non-mm3,
non-timer, 30 ping-GO can have CMT4 as our best eff. map. That should
clearly be
impossible according to his assertions. |
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|
| Nosfer4tu - 213.205.85.*** |
2005-01-17 15:28:19 |
Why do people always put LA vs some other clan in the finals when SR
are the
previous champions...?
A prediction for season victory must always
contemplate the champion from the previous season.
If cmf take the
title,
for sure, are my favourites for nqr8. If not, SR will always be the
clan to
beat! |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-17 15:35:02 |
| Nosferatu: because it's a completely different SR team from last
season (para,
hib, gamer, goljat). There's 3 players from that team missing and you
can't
say that SR will win it again when their new team has not shown the
ability to
do so - until this match that is. |
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| SR WIMPEEH! - 82.168.247.*** |
2005-01-17 15:54:29 |
| cmt3 rocks all them newbs tb3 maps and we all know it!! and in case u
think im
wrong look @ my name it has SR innit so im right!!! |
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|
| Blob - 80.221.26.*** |
2005-01-17 16:35:56 |
Well I wasn't actually talking about how good/bad cmt3/cmt4 are on
tdm. I
don't like cmt4 because of the quad room. So many times it's easy to
shaft
150/100 rl nmy's since the quad platform middle of room allows good
shafters to
own you way too easily. I have started to like cmt3 better than cmt4
now that
I've played it more.
My point was that most people don't
even bother
out to try new maps. That's why I think tournaments like Ad Mortem and
ESL are
fun since you can try out different maps. You can atleast test new
maps in
action if they're good or not. I really think NQR should definetely
dump either
cmt3 or cmt4 in favor of schloss for example. |
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|
| Hagge - 217.210.144.*** |
2005-01-17 16:44:09 |
| did para use some kind of cheat in this game? first all the screens
with para
using team ssc and fips etc. then while watching the mvddemo para is
invisible??? and watching his pov it looks like he has 1 fps. is it
like this
just for me? has para found some new way to cheat just in time for the
semis?
this better be looked into! B< |
| |
|
| Hagge - 217.210.144.*** |
2005-01-17 16:45:53 |
| btw that only happend on the e1m2 demo, on the dm2 demo it all worked
fine.
maybe he switched cheats on because he knew la was 2good2betrue on
e1m2?? |
| |
|
| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-17 17:09:00 |
It was a qizmo bug.
For qizmo specs observing through me, he
had team
fips (which was what my team was set to), it just appeared that he had
the same
team as the cam. I guess it was caused by all the specs etc. |
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|
| slm - 81.224.162.*** |
2005-01-17 17:16:03 |
| i remember para "rebooted" before the e1m2 game |
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|
| tranq - 192.128.252.*** |
2005-01-17 17:22:55 |
I remember him scratching his left ear...
or was it his left hand
? anyway
it seems strange to me |
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|
| ParadokS - 212.242.210.*** |
2005-01-17 18:22:32 |
| Thanks to slime, exposing the bug in mvdsv, that allows anyone to
connect as
spectator, regardless of maxspectator limit, the server was full - and
i mean
_FULL_. with 32 clients connected i couldn't even join the server
after I
rebooted. I had to kick ppl from mac's computer, just so i could join
as
player. So yeah, It's very likely there are some sideeffects in MVD
recording,
caused by soo many users. |
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|
| slm - 81.224.162.*** |
2005-01-17 18:28:02 |
| im not sure i follow you para |
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|
| Hagge - 217.210.144.*** |
2005-01-17 18:39:24 |
| I think we should gather up a team to investigate all this! this may
never
happen again! how am I now supposed to watch the game :( |
| |
|
| aikon - 213.113.65.*** |
2005-01-17 18:40:49 |
| people people okej to whine(about new funny maps) if it was like world
championsships with 1.000.000$ in the pot, but wtf? omg? omfg? quake
is a lovely
game still living and owning, why dont make the best out of it with
new maps
that is just making an old game more 'new' ? |
| |
|
| seeker - 213.64.164.*** |
2005-01-17 19:30:22 |
| yes haggis, guess we arguing about the same point, i want more maps, i
want some
more of the good old exmx maps instead of new maps |
| |
|
| Link - 83.108.67.*** |
2005-01-17 20:08:20 |
| Hello noobs! |
| |
|
| Link - 83.108.67.*** |
2005-01-17 20:10:40 |
| Sorry, I forgot: Nice of SR to beat LA with this "newish"
lineup...kenya or
not :) Though it shouldnt come as a surprise, when you consider LA
dont have a
clue on CMT maps :> |
| |
|
| Haggis - 80.202.50.*** |
2005-01-17 20:14:51 |
| omfg, link is alive! :) Seeker: yes sir, bring on some exmx also.
Link: you
should teach LA guys some linkz0red tactics on kenya :D |
| |
|
| voodoo - 62.66.185.*** |
2005-01-17 21:13:31 |
| I miss the old days with those EXMX maps :) |
| |
|
| billy - 83.28.21.*** |
2005-01-17 21:48:14 |
| why done we see LA whine on maps here? actually we dont even see many
div1
players whine here on the playoff map pool, why is it the 'fans' that
cry so
much of their fav clan's loss when the cmt maps are so much more
popular in the
lower divs (or am i wrong?) |
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| billy - 83.28.21.*** |
2005-01-17 21:49:27 |
| done=dont |
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|
| Haggis - 80.202.50.*** |
2005-01-17 22:34:52 |
| The div1 players actually play qw when we other dirtbags sit here and
chit chat
:) |
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|
| xhrl - 24.80.50.*** |
2005-01-18 02:31:49 |
i think next season nqr8 should keep a 5 map system with tb3 + e3m7 +
e1m5
can you dig it:)
i'd be happy with another
non-lg 4v4
map like schloss instead of e3m7 or e1m5.
can you dig
it?
|
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| Goljat - 62.237.17.*** |
2005-01-18 03:44:11 |
| what's wrong with shaft maps? i like shaft :E |
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|
| Link - 80.213.39.*** |
2005-01-18 08:25:47 |
| Maybe use shaft-only maps without RL = No RL-jump scripts :E |
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|
| skc - 222.65.111.*** |
2005-01-18 08:41:35 |
| i have whined a bit now about how boring it is to have cmt3 as decider
etc, but
dont get me wrong, im for trying out new maps, but cmt3 according to
me isnt
good/fun enough. imo there are other maps out there that play way
better, maps
such as grim and cmt5 (if you argue that its too complex or whatever
you just
dont know the map). well that nqr-cmt thing that i read about sure
sounds like a
good idea in order to find a few new maps, because according to me
(and many
others) cmt3/cmt4 just dont cut it along with tb3. now one can argue
that "hey
they have been played almost as much as the tb3!!!" but of course a
lot of
clans will choose maps where they think they have an edge against
others so yer
you can argue that point back and forth forever. |
| |
|
| Goljat - 85.76.132.*** |
2005-01-18 09:16:08 |
| "but of course a lot of clans will choose maps where they think they
have an
edge against others so yer you can argue that point back and forth
forever."
but that is the idea of homemap? |
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|
| billy - 83.28.1.*** |
2005-01-18 09:41:06 |
ban scripts
ban shaft |
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|
| fisto - 195.22.92.*** |
2005-01-18 10:01:24 |
| GG |
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|
| FlePser - 80.60.182.*** |
2005-01-18 10:15:38 |
| Billy for QWHC!!! |
| |
|
| Hagge - 217.210.144.*** |
2005-01-18 10:24:39 |
ban billy
:(((( |
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|
| skc - 222.65.111.*** |
2005-01-18 10:35:17 |
| goljat: yer but my point is that you could probably add endif as a map
in nqr
and lots of clans would still pick it...and that doesnt have to mean
thats its a
good map |
| |
|
| blasta - 85.131.69.*** |
2005-01-18 11:27:23 |
| omg, what is the problem, new map -> PRAC!, shouldnt be no problem? |
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|
| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-18 12:06:36 |
introduce a larger map-pool!
whats the problem with that? as long
as the
map is tested, that is all dm maps, all cmt maps, schloss&grim and all
the old
and beloved episode maps, NONE of you should have any problems playing
them. i
for one have quit whining about new maps as i have realised that we
must let ppl
play the map THEY like the most as long as its playable in 4on4 (or
has been
played alot and accepted like many old goldie episode
maps)
thnx |
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|
| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-18 12:11:43 |
error in the "all dm maps" part
i dont mean we should play
dm1,dm4,dm5 in
4on4
dm6 can be fun sometimes =) |
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|
| JohnNy_cz - 62.40.90.*** |
2005-01-18 12:47:32 |
| Each screenshot is about 0.5 MB. Doubt it's necessary. |
| |
|
| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-18 13:31:12 |
| skc: the best 2 CMT maps are cmt2 (just need some good looks) and
cmt5b. Cmt3
and cmt1b comes out as a good #3 (depends on taste really, but they
are great
maps). Since I was the dude that made these maps happen, and worked
close with
the mappers to do so, you could safely say I know these maps
blindfolded. I know
every map, and this is my profesional and objective opinion. But I am
not God,
so I cant control the quakers :)))) |
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|
| Kai Budde - 217.157.194.*** |
2005-01-18 13:49:26 |
All your penta are belong to me!!!
PIKSLIKKERS!!! |
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|
| crazymac - 212.242.210.*** |
2005-01-18 13:55:09 |
I dont see why people hate cmt4 so much. If I'm not mistaken it's an
old UK
map, as the fact has been played during the last 5-6
years?.
skc: When
I first started playing quake, there was this Clan McCloud. Their home
map was
e1m4 and there was no going around it , we just had to learn it and
right after
we've played their map, we could choose our own map. Now big clans as
Swedishmobs and Teddybears started playing new maps like e3m3, e3m1
and e3m7. It
was so cool with new maps. -
Ofcourse all this should be seen
from a
realistic point of view, some of the maps we played back then are
really tight
and not really suited for 4on4, but I do think there are some good
maps left
out.
Anyway what I mean to say is: that I think people are
too adjusted
and not very willing/open to try new maps. |
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|
| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-18 14:04:25 |
| Well, just look at QHLAN, they are forced to do tb3-only to get enough
swedes to
participate....gg |
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| Strife - 193.12.32.*** |
2005-01-18 14:05:42 |
| Nice to see that all maps of TB5 was played. |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-18 14:07:03 |
| TB5? You mean cmt2, cmt5b, schloss, grim and e3m7tdm? k, thanks |
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| Strife - 193.12.32.*** |
2005-01-18 14:11:56 |
| And btw gaz, you say there are players like Dakoth who has played
cmt3/4 and
still doesn't like them. I think they made up their mind even before
they
played the maps, they would hate the, no matter what. And they have
been forced
to play/learn them to not have a huge disadvantage in NQR. |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-18 14:14:03 |
| Ye, strife, just like you have made up your mind that cmt3 and cmt4
are in tb5,
without even testing out other maps properly. |
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| Strife - 193.12.32.*** |
2005-01-18 14:19:18 |
| lol Link I know more maps than you ever will. Remember I'm the
kenyamaster. |
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| Hagge - 217.210.144.*** |
2005-01-18 14:21:05 |
| kinda have to agree with link on the cmt's. cmt5&2 are the best of
cmt's and
should be considerated for replacements (at least one of them for
cmt4) I hope
at least people will try them out more. haven't seen a game on cmt5
since the
nqr-cmt tourney.. but tb3 only would of course be the best :) |
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| Strife - 193.12.32.*** |
2005-01-18 14:25:07 |
| I also agree, cmt5b is a great map. |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-18 14:45:14 |
| It's not just a great map, its a piece of art. It got QUAKE written
all over
it, especially if you compare it to some other noob maps :| Well
Strife, if you
are the kenya-master, then it's really hard to understand why you dont
even
mention ONE SINGLE exmxTDM map or one of the new customs (schloss,
grim etc),
but are continuing to promote cmt3 and cmt4. That I can't understand. |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-18 14:59:50 |
| cos they suck? :D |
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| moris - 146.102.89.*** |
2005-01-18 15:29:42 |
| there's no rl on cmt5b? if there is then where the f is is? :) |
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| Hagge - 217.210.144.*** |
2005-01-18 16:49:17 |
| go stairs up to ga and just follow the path and you'll find the juicy
rocket
launcher! :) |
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| siv - 81.226.51.*** |
2005-01-18 18:09:14 |
| Cmt map sucks, k ? |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-18 18:12:53 |
| If siv thinks so then it must be true. |
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| error - 213.114.99.*** |
2005-01-18 20:11:22 |
| gj goljat. |
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| The Hotness - 68.41.75.*** |
2005-01-19 02:21:56 |
| With all this talk of maps I was taking another look at cmt2 and saw
the
screenie of ff vs sr. It made me want to watch those demos again.
does anyone
have a working link to ff's old web site? the old ff.umu.se or
whatever it was
isn't up anymore and I recall it being mirrored somewhere. |
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| mrlame - 81.227.129.*** |
2005-01-19 03:14:15 |
well i have to respond to max rebo's post since i think its really out
of line
saying/telling things i haven't done about me but that always seems to
be his
way to shit talk people.
i love playing new maps testing them
out we
done pretty much "kenya" games intern with gtg im all for adding new
maps but
atleast can't we add maps that is better then the old tb3 then adding
cmt4 for
example and im so tired of hearing this argument "u haven't played the
map"
hell ye i know cmt3 better then dm3....
now about the maps
cmt3 is a
map i really love playing but its kinda unbalanced with the quad
where it is
now just next to ra which ofcourse has all the stuff u need just next
to it this
map has the biggest potenial with some tweaking i would like to see
quad moved
to penta and penta removed/displaced to above gl?, remove lg ammo at
gl keep lg
ammo at lg so u can still make attacks that was the major
parts
and now
the famous cmt4 ive seen this map beeing played alot in the lower divs
3-5 and
it works really good there but the problem in div1 is that everyone
has so good
computers/ping these days that the shaft is overpowered its not like a
couple
years ago when it was the old uk map with 2 lgs etc. and cmt4 quad
room is built
that way its impossible to attack when there is nmy lg's there and we
have the
boring pent bars which makes it practically impossible to actually
time/steal a
pent
about schloss its one of the most fun 2v2 maps out there
we really
liked to play that alot in gtg we played it pretty much in 4v4 also
but it just
feel much tighter then dm2.. and with ring,quad,penta at such a
crowded map well
making it virtually impossible to get a really good tp going on
it
and
grim thats a map that has a great potenial to be a awesome map just
some flaws
like at quad where u can stand above it and cannot be hit making you
pretty much
penta wannabee :> but else it looks awesome but we won't see that
before it
gets played in this new nqr league
i don't have the urge to
discuss
the other cmt maps now that where left out but i didn't do it beacuse
they
"sucked" or TB3 ONLY LOLBO!!!!11 thing, over and out |
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| Rage - 213.136.25.*** |
2005-01-19 08:23:09 |
| I kinda have to agree with lame on the cmt maps. I don't have any tp
experience
on any other maps then tb3 and the cmt's so i'm not gonna say anything
about
schloss etc:) |
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| Hagge - 217.210.144.*** |
2005-01-19 10:10:22 |
| have to agree with mrlame for once :<<<<< maybe link
can do some
nice adjustments? :] |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-19 10:30:03 |
I played grim last night for the first time, I can see where the E1M2
comparison
comes in but it feels like another map which is on too big a scale.
Everything
seems to be high vs low and many of the rooms are big. I don't think
you can
compare it to E1M2 gameplay-wise because E1M2 dervies its gameplay
from the fact
that the entire map is so tight and suited for fast-paced action,
flooding
etc.
Maybe it's cos I don't know grim properly yet but it
didn't
really seem like that kind of all-action gameplay will appear
(impossible to
flood up YA steps for example!)
I did like that the map was
well-connected and there was only a few clearly defined "areas", which
is
where the CMT maps are a bit silly (big rooms just to house
armours/weapons
etc). Can we scale grim down a bit tho? :) |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-19 10:45:58 |
| Mrlame talks about cmt3 being unbalanced, but thinks tb3 are perfectly
balanced?
That makes me smile :) Gaz plays grim for the first time and think its
big, well
I'll let you in on a little secret: Most maps DO feel big when you
play it for
the first time :) |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-19 11:00:33 |
| I'm not talking about the size of the map itself, more the scale of
the rooms.
Felt like I was in a cathedral everywhere, even the RL room seemed a
bit
spacious. |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-19 11:01:10 |
| Link would you have the skills to change CMT3 in the way mrlame
suggested? Could
be interesting to experiment with a CMT3b in the custom league... |
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| Babel - 213.112.29.*** |
2005-01-19 11:18:11 |
| Dont know if anyone have said that you should have more maps, but you
just cant
have to many in the leauge. If its too many maps its gonna be more
"luck" than
skill. I mean, every team gonna win on their homemap and then it
depends on what
map the decider is gonna be. So.. not more than 5maps or something so
you have
time to pracc them all. Even I can defeat some superstar on some total
uknown
map there I am the only one who have played it. |
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| Babel - 213.112.29.*** |
2005-01-19 11:19:50 |
| Maybe its a bit of the subject but yeye =) |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-19 11:29:48 |
| Gaz: why change and "unbalanced" cmt3, when we dont change tb3? Are
you saying
that tb3 are balanced maps? And the fact that mrlame is a div. 1
superstart dont
automaticly translate him into someone who knows what he is talking
about when
it comes to maps. Infact, mrlame's "whining" on the cmt maps has been
there
from day 1, and NO, for good reasons I did not listen to all of his
"whine"
about how these maps should have been made. But hey, if you want to
change
entities in a map (penta, quad, ring, rl, armors etc), anyone that got
some
experience in mapping can do that easily, you dont need to ask me, do
what you
please! But if you want the source-code of the map (cmt3.map), then
you need to
talk to Baby-Roo, and not me :> |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-19 11:41:26 |
| If you don't try these things then you won't know if they work or
not... |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-19 11:54:50 |
| L o L ... we tried these things out before you where itching your
daddys pants.
You want some demos of Hellfire vs Slackers on naked7.bsp (ye, it was
called
that before it got the new name: cmt3). DO YOU REALLY THINK that these
Cmt maps
was not tested and debated BEFORE they where officially released? Gaz,
it's
really nice that you are putting a lot of effort into NQR, I think
everyone
appriciates that, but that does not automaticly translate into
competence and
experience. You are saying that we should test out other versions of a
map that
was MADE for 4on4, by experienced tdm-players, but you ARE NOT putting
in the
exmxTDM-maps, but keeping the original ones made for SINGLEPLAYER? omg
:> Hi
man, ppl like Angua and Mrlame ARE NOT the ppl you wanna listen to on
this
issues :> Trust me :> But hey, if you wanna be THAT STUPID, go
ahead :>
ROFL :> |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-19 12:00:56 |
| The CMT maps where all tested in leagues by the best, it resulted in 2
changes:
cmt1 and cmt5. The rest was a-ok. The "whining" you get know is just
details
and small "flaws": it is the same sort of "whine" you get when someone
hates
dm2 or dm3. So if you wanna change cmt3, then you are saying we should
change
the small flaws that the tb3 maps got as well. |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-19 12:17:43 |
| The TDM maps are fucking awful?! |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-19 12:24:53 |
| Of course, I can't know that for sure cos I've only been playing Quake
for 2
months and I spend all my time "scratching my daddy's pants", whatever
the
fuck that is supposed to mean. |
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|
| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-19 13:13:40 |
i think he meant that u where a sperm and thus "scrathing your daddys
pants"
Apart from the last comments by gaz and link i think
you guys
are starting to discuss alot more and not just flaming and bitching.
Communication and good discussions is what we need...
And i
have not
got a reply to my question about why we cant play a large pool like in
nqr2 +
the new playtested maps (cmt schloss grim and others?) A really large
pool is
what we need to get really competetive play and not a few maps the
most active
clans can prac on to boredom and own the less active clans everytime. |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-19 13:21:44 |
With a larger pool clans have to practice more maps and will thus lose
their
edge on other maps, and thus become a "jack of all trades, master of
none".
That's my view on it anyway...
More maps will also lead to
even more
instances of clans just choosing maps to get an easy win and we can do
without
that kind of thing.
If you want more maps then check out ESL
or the new
NQR Custom league. NQR's "regular" season will be staying with a 5 map
pool. |
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| mrlame - 81.227.129.*** |
2005-01-19 13:22:27 |
link i don't know where i said tb3 is perfectly balanced can u fill me
up on
that?, and yes it been tested but a couple of games isn't enough...
and why
shouldn't me and angua be someone to listen to we are fine TDM player
who knows
the game inside and out.
and about the new maps there we
still have a
change to make them "perfect" but we can't change TB3 now its already
to
late. |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-19 13:31:18 |
| "a couple of times" ... that is funny as well :) Well, since Angua and
Manu
are in the NQR crew, that is the main reason why CML3 dont got any TDM
maps in
it. Angua and Manu dont want new maps, they want the maps they already
know
100%: ergo exmx, and NOT exmxTDM. I am still laughing. |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-19 13:32:59 |
| For example: Anyone who says that e3m6 is better han e3m6TDM have to
be mentally
retarded. |
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|
| hib - 80.221.93.*** |
2005-01-19 13:37:30 |
| Goljat thinks that e3m6 is much better than e3m6TDM |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-19 13:40:04 |
| rofl :> |
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| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-19 13:42:09 |
| Gaz its about getting to play old and loved maps not to get easy win.
When will
u ppl get this: Most qw players play for fun, and even if they play a
map to get
an easy win, so what? Your clan can just choose the map they like the
most and
then the nqr just have to settle on like 5 decider maps wich will be
chosen
randomly. The team that wins 2-1 should get like 3points so "the easy
map win"
don?t have such an impact in the table... |
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| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-19 13:45:14 |
| but if you tell us to check out the custom league you had better add
more maps
to it, like ALL maps that where played 4on4 in nqr2 and before... |
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|
| Max Rebo - 62.181.254.*** |
2005-01-19 14:41:13 |
Lame, I was talking about this statement,
"this is a scam
not even a
tb3 option to vote on. this game should be about the community and if
we don't
have the option to choose what we would like to vote on but when a few
certain
ppl do it that just plainly stinks. it will slowly bring good players
out of qw
that are sick of this "gestapo" wannabee's sadly but true a little
harsch
maybe but truth"
Maybe I misunderstood you there, and that
was just
ranting on why there wasn't 30 options so everyone could vote on their
exact
preference, but it seemed to me you were pissed that NQR wouldn't be a
TB3
league this season either.
As for the TDM-maps, I kinda agree
with Link
there, some are better than the originals, some are worse, i.e E3M6TDM
> E3M6
and E3M7TDM < E3M7. So it seems quite strange that there will be
only regular
EXMX in the new league.
Grim: yeah, the scale, and thus the
easy of
bunnybility, might be too large, more playing is needed before I
decide though.
Other than that it seems promising. |
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| xterm - 195.49.243.*** |
2005-01-19 15:08:22 |
| m?nniska, g?r n?got konstruktivt. |
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| angua - 82.182.32.*** |
2005-01-19 15:17:05 |
I have to laugh, once again...
"well, since Angua and Manu are in
the NQR
crew, that is the main reason why CML3 dont got any TDM maps in it.
Angua and
Manu dont want new maps, they want the maps they already know 100%:
ergo exmx,
and NOT exmxTDM."
It's so gr8 seeing Link, totally unaware of
what's
going on. Have you asked the rest of the admins what they think about
linktdm?
Guess not, tho I can count on this thread, that gaz - who's the only
one who's
posted - said it was awful.
and Max Rebo, a map doesn't get better
just
because you can speedjump through the whole map in 15 seconds, and
putting 3
ways into each room.
Further on it's not 2strange that game over
max rebo
thinks e3m7tdm is worse than e3m7, as you can't get the same lock on
e3m7tdm as
on e3m7. The same goes on e3m6, but obviously you have never liked the
map, so
"sure, e3m6TDM > e3m6" |
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| Link - 194.248.208.*** |
2005-01-19 15:29:10 |
| I just saw e4m1 in the map-pool Angua, I wonder who suggested that :)
The only
one I know that would tell Gaz to put that in...would be....???? :)
And there is
no secret that Manu dont want tdm, but the original ones. But if my
assumption
was WAY OFF AND HAD NO TRUTH in it all, I am sorry! 1000 appoligies!
:> |
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| angua - 82.182.32.*** |
2005-01-19 15:31:33 |
| I don't think I follow you Link, now you whine about what maps ARE in?
If not
one single admin like your tdm-maps, tough luck. |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-19 15:46:48 |
| iirc I posted a list of maps on our admin forum for
approval/additions/suggestions etc and all of those exmy maps were
already on
it... |
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|
| Haggis - 62.101.203.*** |
2005-01-19 15:48:40 |
| So cool that LA-SR matches always ends up like this :P |
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| Haggis - 62.101.203.*** |
2005-01-19 15:49:56 |
| Btw, lets all stop playing this game and play something that rocks,
like pac
man. Great map there, and those ghost bot's is pure ownage. |
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|
| Max Rebo - 62.181.254.*** |
2005-01-19 15:54:42 |
Akademikerna had E3M6 as home map for a couple of months back in -99,
obviously
we played it quite a bit back then. Usually a deadlock like in E1M3
happened
after a few minutes, where one team had all rls and no armour, and the
other
team had armour and quad and no way of reaching 3 rlcampers at
rl-high. It
wasn't very fun. E3M6TDM, while not perfect, alliviates this by
putting
another lift in, and so makes attacks much more feasable. One thing
I'd do on
that map is change the YA at Q to a GA. As for your silly hyperbole on
"three
ways into each room", surely you got some real arguments instead? And
BTW, 15
seconds in QW is an eternity.
E3M7 otoh, while superficially
the same
entrenchment as E3M6, encourages attacks, either from having one of
the quads or
from desire to take penta and a possible 50 frag leap in 2 minutes. It
doesn't
need double entrances to each main room, it could however need a
broadening of
some corridors or moving of some spawns. And maybe a worthwhile "start
area".
Furthermore I'd like to thank Link, Dakoth, Lame,
Angue et al.
for a stimulating day while at work ;-) |
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| Rage - 213.136.25.*** |
2005-01-19 16:15:07 |
Yeh keep the discussion up plz:) Stop flaming tho,
stinks!
Allthough I
don't think much will change, since everyone has different tastes
these
discussions will never stop.
I do think the mappoll on qw.nu
should
not be like tb3 + bla and bla. TB3 should be in no doubt.
The poll
should
have a list of maps where you can vote for. I do think people should
be able to
vote on 2 maps tho, but if that's too hard just one vote.
That
gives a lot
better impression on what maps are populair. If most people will vote
for cmt4
and cmt3 it will be an dissapointment for me, but then again most
people voted
for it. Try the democratic way:)
Same should happen with the
cmt
tourney imo, but I think that's too late. |
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| gaz - 193.195.82.*** |
2005-01-19 16:59:05 |
Plan is...
end of season awards/poll (like last season)
2
questions:
which map would you prefer to keep
(cmt3/cmt4)?
which map
would you prefer to replace the above map
(grim/schloss/e2m2/e3m7/cmt2/cmt5b)?
or something |
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| Trinca - 194.65.31.*** |
2005-01-19 18:16:43 |
| Paradoks keep is great shape :) and La best clan in dm2! |
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| chit - 217.215.68.*** |
2005-01-19 21:36:23 |
OMG i miss A frag in the darkness,
good old Fragzone,
the
good ol'
time. ah.
nostalgic...
make a league and let everyclan choose
their own
fucking clan-map, worked before so why shouldnt it work now ?
Bah. |
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|
| Link - 80.111.113.*** |
2005-01-19 22:33:20 |
| Well, it was up again:Admort...but LA didnt get any pracs, so akke
gave you
tube-girl instead :> |
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| error - 213.114.99.*** |
2005-01-19 22:37:59 |
| I like your suggestions gaz. :) |
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| menth0l - 62.78.230.*** |
2005-01-20 07:43:15 |
gaz:
"which map would you prefer to
keep?"
"cmt3/cmt4/both"
"which map would you prefer to
replace
the above
map"
"none/grim/schloss/e2m2/e3m7/cmt2/cmt5b"
Much
better.
|
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| Rage - 213.136.25.*** |
2005-01-20 08:12:09 |
| True Menth0l |
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| ilenat - 195.148.173.*** |
2005-01-20 10:02:24 |
| macros zer0 style @_@ |
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| Sectoid - 143.239.1.*** |
2005-01-20 12:50:44 |
e3m2?
|
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| Haggis - 62.101.203.*** |
2005-01-20 14:34:09 |
| E3Me tdm :) |
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|
| Haggis - 62.101.203.*** |
2005-01-20 14:34:33 |
| omfg, E3M3TDM .... |
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| Sectoid - 143.239.1.*** |
2005-01-20 15:57:15 |
e3m2 is/was very good. SLL used it as a home map with tactics adopted
from
Crusaders/[+]. However the map was very easy to lock which made
comebacks a pain
in the ass. But with well defined tactics you could manage 4 RL guys
camping in
RL-area attacking from QUAD/YA/GL...
The best thing with the
map was
the action, tight action all the time...
Now about the
discussion:
I only played Andromeda 9 a couple of times and it
seemed like
a nice map (estheticaly, a word?!) but not for action, I really don't
see the
point of having it in a serious leauge like this. Why don't you guys
just make
a map competition where any1 who wants builds a map and then you have
a
map-competition-cup where the maps are played and tested and
afterwards you
discuss which ones to include.
I have, in spite of heavy
work load,
been reading peoples arguments and the people against the maps have
very sound
ones while people for usually have some lame argument about "you don't
want to
try new things out" it's not really the same thing. I mean think of
it, you
spend time playing quake, it's a skill you develop... now you don't
want to
waste your skill on maps you don't like when there are better ones
:)
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| mrlame - 81.227.129.*** |
2005-01-21 10:40:00 |
| amen |
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| mrlame - 81.227.129.*** |
2005-01-21 10:40:00 |
| amen |
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| fisto - 195.22.92.*** |
2005-01-21 10:42:55 |
| haha, h?lls det p? och ?gs h?r nu igen :) |
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| Horatio - 212.214.218.*** |
2005-01-21 12:09:18 |
| Har ?lgen 4 ben liksom? =) |
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| aikon - 213.113.65.*** |
2005-01-22 15:23:28 |
| fuck it, let SR meet LA again in the finals, so we can take this
discution even
further ! |
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