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I wish there was a playoff in each division, and it does seem to be in the cards for the next season. My hope is that other admins and enough players will display their enthusuasm for the idea to make it a reality. Some don't find the playoffs exciting, often saying that the playoffs tend to devalue the regular round robin matches. This is true to a point, but the point of the regular matches will be to place your clan among the divisional playoff teams; the current thinking is to have the top eight teams face-off at the end of the regular matches. If you support this idea, then make note of it in the comments so the admins know what most desire.

In Division 7 the swedish Assassins are the clear leaders; except for a tough loss on e3m7 to the Pigs, these guys seem to have dominated most of their opponents quite harshly. That said, I found most the matches were close, though on specific maps clans had some serious ownage on their 'home' maps. FIPS with an interesting international set of players, lost to only ASS and quick omission; in my opinion, these guys played in some of the most entertaining games this season, especially the cmt4 game against the hippushnik clan. I hope next year that there will be no inactivity in this division.

In Division 6, mixu and his manly Irishmen in the Gauntlet crew were pressed for the top spot by the swedes of SKK. Though fnu and the osams did show very well in this division, neither were contenders to unseat the Irishmen. The swedes of SKK were led by the case and brbo on dm2 and did hand out some severe beatings on that map. Yet on dm3 Mixu and his Irishmen imprinted what must be harsh memories for SKK. This would be a division where any of the top 5 or 6 clans would be able to take to the top place in the event of a playoff round; though any betting man would put his money on the wily Irish_drinking_Guiness: the men of Gauntlet .

In Division 5, the guys Elaintarha finished on top tied with Clan Code for points. But in my view any of the top 4 clans could be up there, too, had but a few close games gone slightly differently. Yet that is qw tdm and we rise by it or fall by it; and as such the Finns of Elaintarha are the top dogs in div5 according the present rules and point awarding system. In this divsion I have really enjoyed watching the ancient gods; though they are not going to blow away cmf or sr anytime soon, their players apollo and afrodite are surely up and coming stars. On dm3 they have impressed me the most, especially in their utter rampage of the shadow minions, who are no slouches themselves, though they are presently strongest on e1m2. Again, this division would have a very tight playoff race if there was one.

In Division 4, there can be no denying the championship to the undefeated Paranoids. They had a couple of 2-1 matches, but they went undefeated nonetheless. Led by Milamber and aken, these guys were tough on the big three. Perhaps the most telling match of this division was between billy's burgers and para: all 3 games were played out on dm3, and all 3 matches were not very close...well, perhaps the second was, but not as close as the score shows. The Poles of Billy Burgers are a fun clan to watch, and I am sure they could actually upset Para on a good day; also, i am confident next season BB will advance, especially with flesper and billy and the dudes getting more and more of a routine on the big3. i think they would do well to improve on 2 maps other than the tb3 in order to put their opponents off-guard. Well what the hell, it can't but hassle the opposition to play on less comfortable or familiar territory?

In Divsion 3, there was a lot of talk about space and dag playing for E with hixen. Note there was a lot of talk about it. It did not amount to much, however. As dag and space weren't that active E, ended up somewhere in the middle of this division. I reason that dag and space shouldn't have been playing in this division at all, but I don't set the regulations; because dag is clearly one of the greatest all-round players in qw ever, he has attracted a lot of attention to this division; I am just pleased that his presence here didn't amount to anything significant in terms of the standings. For consider it like this: would anyone actually doubt E would win the division if both dag and space had played seriously for E in every game and had really tried? Of course not. Both of them belong among division 1 players where they have proven their worth many times before, and must continue to do so. A lot of the old hf guys I used to know were playing in Vets. Arguably they also were too good for division 3 and this has been decided by the standings as well: next season they will fight in division 2. The Finns in MNY will advance next season; especially as they are strong on two 'weirdish' maps e3m7 and cmt3. If they can get better on one of the tb3, they will be truly manly in division 2.

In Division 2, a few of my qw-heroes were seen at times roaming around. The sportsmanship in this division was second to none. If I had to admin just one division, I would pick this one; non-existent whining, players who play for fun, and players who know the game and can even laugh at themselves in certain situations. All of this exists in division 2 and makes it a great division to be around from an admin pov. CN has the Wayne Gretzky of qw in pietro; though he doesn't play much anymore, it is still a delight for old guys like me to see him frag around on the big 3 and even see him wander the likes of cmt4 against the high_pinged men of AG. I am sure pietro would rather play on tb3, but it is fun to watch his tactical instincts on a different playing field. But with exile and foppa playing most of the CN games, this was a very fine crew. However, HF, fudoh and fragomatic were all better in terms of points. The late season push by HF really astonished me, almost as much as the skill AG exhibited playing with those high pings; but it seems as though it was just enough to one up manulito and rfx of fragomatic. This is clearly yet another division that needs a playoff, especially with the regular season placing the top 5 or 6 teams quite tightly.

In Division 1, CMF rules. SR is back a bit in second place in terms of points, followed closely by FS and ds. Just behind ds are the men of X with the manly man Vladich. Vladich is man to be tied up and put out of a game if you are his opponent. I think X will be dangerous in this season's playoff run. No, I don't predict that X will win; but i do think they could give trouble to ds on dm2 or dm3, with whom they will likely meet up in the opening round. The campbusters have edged out the hyphen squad from eighth spot but i think fifi, shiva and the other manly_cmf-ers will quickly dispatch cb 2-0. DS is the squad with the wildcard; if they can get nbe playing and practising, then i think they will never lose on e1m2 and they will be ever so harsh on dm3. SR will go undefeated on that shaft_spam cmt1b; I don't think I have ever seen them lose that map and I wouldn't expect it to happen now. But SR is vulernable for I am given to understand that Paradoks may not play for SR due to a slashed hand injury. With UL gone from SR, they may have to go all Finnish to get by their first round opponent; and i think that will suffice for the first round. FS are in many ways my favourite squad because they have blxm, reppie_the_flying_dutchman, and the great swede razor. But i think the loss of blitz on dm2 will be tough for fs to overcome; I hope that drejfus will be of great help to fs. EQ has played some strong quake this season and i think they have done very well to finish in a playoff spot; though i do not expect to see them advance to the second round....that is, unless all the games are played on e2m7:) Look for X to surprise or even go out in a close series; SR will advance as will CMf. I predict another SR vs Cmf final. I also think the finals will go to a fifth game. But more on that later.

-strength and honour to all who have struggled in the manly man's game....and to all who will yet continue to do battle!
72 comments.

 

Caban (212.76.33.75) 031127 @ 08:38:41
I support this idea to make playoffs for the best 8 clans from div, but only if in div gonna be more than 14 clans ( about 20 ).
     
reppie (217.122.224.185) 031127 @ 09:10:09
nice one xhrl :) just one thing, :) "SR will go undefeated on that shaft_spam cmt1b; I don't think I have ever seen them lose that map and I wouldn't expect it to happen now" playoffs is tb3 only, at least it says so in the rules :)
     
Legio! (213.141.72.130) 031127 @ 09:41:58
Very nice report Xhrl, well done :). And i think our new Admin has some reading up to do on rules section ;)..you are correct Reppie. Only TB3 in Playoffs. This season the Semi's will also enjoy a 5 map games, and not only the grand final as in prior seasons.
     
Max Rebo (62.181.254.15) 031127 @ 09:48:00
Great report.
     
Diki (80.74.198.231) 031127 @ 09:59:41
There will be not sr-cmf final. We gonna take them down! :CCCC
     
mx (213.94.241.199) 031127 @ 10:04:35
gg xhrl
     
siv (81.226.51.7) 031127 @ 10:42:43
Havent i heard this b4 from the canadian? "they will never lose on e1m2 " everywhere u can read about DS , XHRL is there making a comment about their e1m2, starting to get like a tradition :+]
     
FlePser (80.60.182.5) 031127 @ 12:58:58
nice roundup
     
manu (130.235.174.146) 031127 @ 15:12:51
really gg xhrl! gg nqr!
     
The Darkman (217.215.11.9) 031127 @ 15:46:01
Lets sum up: the hardly promoted CMT-maps, which would bring a new era to the qw-scene, failed and made people more angry than happy. In fact, they got played less than e1m5, e2m2 and e3m7, ironic, isnt it? Paradoks or Link said, before the season started, that the eXmX maps should be dropped due to the lack of interest, now they can eat their own freakin words because there is a big lack of interest in playing the CMT-maps, will you dare to promote them another season?
     
def (212.135.1.57) 031127 @ 15:59:00
Well you're not quite correct darkman. Take a look at the stats. MAP - # PLAYED E1M5 11x - CMT1B 8x E2M2 19x - CMT3 25x E3M7 59x - CMT4 53x I think the above stats speak clearly for themself. Clearly CMT4 is a success, while the other CMT maps faulter. I think DM2 DM3 E1M2 and E3M7 CMT4 could make the big five next nqr season.
     
Hagge (217.210.145.127) 031127 @ 16:08:35
lol.. totally sucky predictions.. we will own cmf 2ez :<
     
Link (80.203.229.225) 031127 @ 17:19:21
The CMT maps are not a big success yet, because the admins of NQR dont allow it to be a succses, with their TB3ish rules. Another reason is that qw players in general are cleary to stupid to learn new/good maps, thats why CMT4 is the most popular CMT map in nqr5, because it is the easiest CMT map to learn. Another fact is that ppl play to win only. Darkman: as long as my heart beats, I will shuve CMT maps up your ass whenever I get the chance. Peace.
     
mrlame (195.198.44.3) 031127 @ 17:32:58
zzz @ link, i will elaborate this some day when i have the force ^^
     
offbreed (213.67.50.201) 031127 @ 18:22:46
jaa zzzzzzzz cmt zzzzmt ... add e2m7 to the map list once again, it's better then all the cmt maps, strange that cmt4 was played the most of the cmt maps, it's the suckiest!
     
Goljat (80.221.42.91) 031127 @ 18:45:14
cmt maps total: 86 exmy: 89 Well looks like a tie.
     
def (212.135.1.50) 031127 @ 18:45:39
Just want to point out that many people are saying that dag and space were not instrumental to Euthanasia in div3 despite all the talk. To be precise, dag/space werent that active, however everygame that they did play, Euthanasia won. Not only that, but won by immense margins.
     
telly (213.208.123.131) 031127 @ 18:50:30
The stats don't mean very much. The reason most people pick cmt4 and e3m7 is to get an advantage over the other clan due to better map knowledge not necessarily because they think they are great 4v4 maps.
     
telly (213.208.123.131) 031127 @ 18:52:36
The stats don't mean very much. The reason most people pick cmt4 and e3m7 is to get an advantage over the other clan due to better map knowledge not necessarily because they think they are great 4v4 maps.
     
manu (130.235.174.146) 031127 @ 19:06:23
let us have a FAIR vote next season? let us vote for N maps (from cmt, exmx, blablamaps) instead 3CMT, 3EXMX 3BLABLA...then maps like CMT1B/E1M5 that are played ~10 times perhaps wont make it...
     
vr (213.114.92.72) 031127 @ 19:46:40
Sorry if I interrupts the discussion about NQR-maps. But, since there have been many people out there asking what we(Ass) do in DIV7 and even seen us as an fakeclan and informed us how lame that is. I really feel I need to say some words about us in DIV7. When I signed up us for NQR I had no clue about our skills compared to the rest of the QW-scene. In fact, our first 4on4 in this decade were our first (and quite tight) NQR5 game, PCW included. And I did'nt know much about the today qw-scene at all. We sure have some nice (old) nicks in our lineup but these nicks aint that active anymore. And some of us have'nt played QW for the last years. So, I did'nt see joining up a topdiv as an alternative. And furtheremore division 7 was'nt our choice, the admins placed us there. Among all these indistinct variables I'm just sure about one thing. If the NQR crew asks me to sort and arrange the divisions for NQR6 I'll say NO WAY! That must be one of the most difficult assignment as an admin. Finally and after all we want to say thanks to the NQR crew for a nice and well done NQR season and thanks to all of you in our division for a bunch of great games! The AssassinS through vreten
     
jezaja (193.11.244.51) 031127 @ 20:03:47
Good point manu.
     
Goljat (80.221.42.91) 031127 @ 21:07:07
goljat's famous bet tips about playoffs. cmf 2 - cb 0 fs 2 - eq 0 (sorry eq not good maps in playoffs) ds 2 - X 0 (x give a good fight but ds win two rounds with 30-40frags,)
     
xhrl (142.22.16.51) 031127 @ 21:10:49
yes i messed up about the playoff rule...but it doesn't change my predictions that much. as for the mapping issue, i do believ we need to have some resolution to it. either we want a larger pool used or we don't; i see no reason to suddenly 'shrink' the map pool come playoffs. and i mean this for each division, too:) so first off we need, as a community, to get clear on whether a map pool of 3 or 5 or whatever is desirable; then we need to be clear on what maps those should be. I was hoping that some of comments would indicate whether div2 through 7 would welcome a playoffs or not. as i write, there doesn't seem to be any indication of whether clans would even want this.
     
Lornelin (81.227.206.134) 031127 @ 21:41:42
I heard there wouldn't even be divisions next season, was that only a false rumour?
     
JKova^tF (80.222.49.181) 031127 @ 22:11:51
I'd like to have playoffs in every division.
     
fix (80.223.30.137) 031127 @ 22:49:34
yep..in this issue clanbase is way ahead nqr
     
nEpra (217.210.47.220) 031128 @ 00:06:33
cmf. GET DOOOWN!
     
menth0l (62.78.167.244) 031128 @ 01:41:04
we won div5 2ez? :/
     
Lornelin (81.227.206.134) 031128 @ 01:50:23
Btw xhrl, you have only yourself to blame for not getting more responses about playoffs in all divs... If you ask a question in the beginning of your post and then put such an interesting and long report after it people will have forgotten about your question by the time they finish reading it. =)
     
forsberg (80.199.24.185) 031128 @ 03:03:03
Thanks again for a good season, some sucky maps, some good fights, some lame defeats :P Playoffs sounds nice cause more games oh and if you really like to see pietro play, tell him to get his f***in ass in action, he played qw one day.....
     
forsberg (80.199.24.185) 031128 @ 03:04:16
tell jerry also btw...
     
mIXu (159.134.101.177) 031128 @ 07:24:51
Div 6 is having playoffs \o/ http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=552
     
mIXu (159.134.101.177) 031128 @ 07:25:22
not official ones, but who cares \m/
     
Icce (193.235.173.250) 031128 @ 10:02:30
Lornelin: I've also heard from fellow quakers rumours that tells there will be no divs next season in NQR. Dunno who started this but I can deny the truth in them. We in crew haven't had any discussions in that direction at all :)
     
SLB (213.65.8.222) 031128 @ 12:18:35
nice read, well done
     
HangTime (212.140.173.250) 031128 @ 13:24:16
Yep, the link-nqr (false) propoganda machine at work again lorn. Just like the Goljat-smackdown (false) propoganda machine :)
     
fausto (80.54.140.58) 031128 @ 13:56:46
Lol just shove e3m7 up ur arses all u who vote for it. I dont find this map suitable for 4on4. i would also like to say it sux, and all those poor ppl playing it first time then falling to lava and trying to exit :(
     
Link (80.213.33.231) 031128 @ 15:43:52
HangTime :))) Fausto: "and all those poor ppl playing it first time then falling to lava and trying to exit :( " rofl :)))) Icce: it was DEF who posted this on the qw.nu forum, saying it would be a ladder with a chess-rating (points) system. Oh and are you ppl STILL complaining about maps? Kind of funny how ppl said; "great! now we can vote!". But now it is "lets have a FAIR vote this time!". What is it next time? :)
     
Goljat (80.221.42.91) 031128 @ 16:00:18
if i remember right nqr crew said that only three cmt maps to this season season that isnt so much to learn and all 5 cmt maps for next seasons, i think that was just bs :)
     
def (212.135.1.50) 031128 @ 16:28:35
I posted that on qw.nu forum because that's what ParadokS told me in a pmsg when I talked to him some time ago. He claimed 1 massive division, and chess ELO rating system.
     
Max Rebo (62.181.254.15) 031128 @ 16:34:21
E3M7 is no worse than some other maps that are played on regular basis. One bad thing is the spawns in the narrow corridors that are unavoidable if you want to get past. Other than that it's an interesting map with two quads, something no other current map has, that really spices things up. And even if fullstart really helps it's far from over if you get one against you, something that FUD's 12-0 record on it shows.
     
Apollyon (62.206.113.178) 031128 @ 16:58:54
I also remember having a lengthy discussion with Kryten and Paradosk about the pros and cons hav having an ELO-ladder. But that is the past so BRING ON NQR6 PLZ!
     
Icce (195.67.211.134) 031128 @ 18:22:18
Hmm..perhaps Para got some ideas he haven't shared yet, but the only ladder we in the crew have seriously talked about concernes the playoffs in NQR-6. Guess we'll have to sort this out when he's back on track.
     
forsberg (80.199.24.185) 031128 @ 19:06:10
Link snap out of it, you were not sent here to make us play gay maps. Ofcourse some people got happy when voting was on, cause the dont know better. The majority will still end up playing gay maps they dont like. And fair vote ? In online poll ? cmon. Men skal vi aldrig spille kwejk ?
     
gaz (81.103.59.247) 031128 @ 19:38:02
E3M7 is a stupid map, it's only chosen just so clans can own on it. I mean cmon, how many close games have there been on it? CMT4 is a bit different, we (FIPS) have had some easy wins on it but also some good close matches vs QO, HIPS and POFF. CMT4 forever 8)
     
Link (80.203.229.225) 031128 @ 19:54:54
So Forsberg, what maps are not gay, and what maps should we all play on? Can you please solve this for us, so we dont have to be gay anymore? Takk, takk, min smukke danske dreng :>
     
Max Rebo (217.209.162.232) 031128 @ 21:24:02
Yes, let's see, how many close games on E3M7.... oh I know, the game we played versus CN this NQR that went to overtime! Or perhaps HF - SSC 142-141 ? Next baseless claim?
     
Strife (193.12.36.149) 031128 @ 22:02:35
A good thing would be not to change the map-pool anymore. How the fuck are ~70 clans supposed to learn new maps every season? I mean EQ can do it easy, but we need to give all the clans with no more space in their brain a chanse also.
     
Link (80.203.229.225) 031128 @ 22:32:13
I think it's cute when DS players dont even have locs for a map that is in NQR :)
     
gaz (81.103.59.247) 031128 @ 23:24:56
so, er, 2 games?
     
gaz (81.103.59.247) 031128 @ 23:53:36
also look at the winning margins: e3m7 avg winning margin is 150 frags. next biggest is dm2 on 130, but e3m7 ownages are usually because clans don't know the map (we lost it the one time we played it, having never seen it before),. cmt4 on the other hand, the avg winning margin is 80, which is less than both dm3 (98) and e1m2 (87).
     
Max Rebo (217.209.162.232) 031129 @ 00:38:51
Yeah, I was wondering when you were gonna bring that up, that's the obvious angle of attack against E3M7. So, why 158 frag average win? You touch upon it with your correct analysis of the clans not knowing the map. If you examine the games on E3M7 it's quite easy to understand why the average win is so high. For instance, FUD:s game vs MM, they played for one minute or so and then they didnt move for the rest of the game. Final score, 415 - -5. This is certainly not the only such e3m7-game this season, and scores like this do skew the stats quite a bit, certainly not by such a big margain as to bring the average down to the low-scoring CMT4, but probably down to DM2's average. Fudoh, arguably being one of the best E3M7 clans out there had an average winning margin of 127 frags, excluding the MM game but including the relative blowouts vs Fired, AG and Fappers. That's more an indication of a high fragging map like DM2 than of a unfair, rape map. I'm not saying it's a perfect map, it's not, but it's no worse than E2M2 or E1M5.
     
Link (80.203.229.225) 031129 @ 01:38:07
Well, at e1m5, you dont have one dude camping one rl, the other ra, and the third running around with Penta at the second rl :) But thats off the point Max, coz e3m7 sure is a fun map to play :)
     
fausto (80.54.107.167) 031129 @ 02:15:41
And despite the sucky map e3m7 i would like to thank/congrat. Hagge and znappe for commenting all matches in all divs! u really must have a lot of free time to watch our sexi kurwa games :-)
     
satanic (81.224.177.119) 031129 @ 14:38:07
Thx for a wonderful season every clan in div7, NQR is a wonderful organisation of sorts. I wish for many a splendid season to come. Merry xmas.
     
rekk (194.251.240.116) 031129 @ 16:17:48
Useless to whine about ppl playing e3m7. It has been played throughout the history of qw and if you even haven't even seen it before you can only blaim yourself.
     
rekk (194.251.240.116) 031129 @ 16:19:39
Oh yes. Shit report, no SSC mentioned. :)
     
gaz (81.103.59.247) 031129 @ 16:39:11
not really, it was never played in the UKCL or WPDML (uk leagues) :S
     
forsberg (80.199.24.185) 031201 @ 17:08:38
why bother to get locs, if you never played it before, and only have to next time you are forced to play some other clans bizarre homemap ? :)
     
Bronx (128.119.128.144) 031201 @ 20:28:14
I'd just like to say I really enjoyed the season and all of the D2 teams were very classy except for the few that complained about how bad they played after they beat us. Regarding maps I liked e1m5 but I thought Haunted Halls was a bit too much like CTF, each team generally gets a side with a quad,rl and armor and whoever pokes their head thru the connecting area between the bases is shot by 4 rls. This is especially true if u try to peek into the opponents base with quad. I eventually got bored when we played this and started attacking the enemies flag. If our clan practiced more on that map I bet we could turn the map into a perfect stalemate. Do ppl agree with me or did ppl like the map...? (Am I missing something in e3m7 strat or is their only 1 walkway between the 2 bases??)
     
Ez (195.149.46.214) 031201 @ 20:50:02
Having not played qw properly in nearly 2yrs, for me FIPS's first season in NQR has been a real blast. With a new client (Fuh rocks) and generally nice opponents, the only thing that could have been better was map choices. I love the CMT maps, but, and no discredit to those that won on it, e3m7 is a bitch. Its normally locked in the first few mins of a game, and it stays that way. Its almost impossible to mount a comeback on a map like this ... and initial spawns basically decide the map. There are a huge number of maps out there suitable for 4v4 teamplay, but some ppl just dont want to try something new, different or risky. I recently got owned by someone on dm6 dueling (fine i'm used to that) but they refused to try aerowalk afterwards since "they didnt know it" ... same thing for teamplay maps ... bring in new ones that make for closer fun games, maps that are capable of allowing teams to make a comeback in, where new idea's are needed and strategies formed. Evolution and revolution help keep things fresh and exciting and allow newer clans/ppl to compete. Anyways, my lil rant thing over, and now a thanks to all the Admins and clans of div7 for a great season.
     
Dan (213.112.67.191) 031201 @ 22:23:43
I couldnt agree more with Ez. There have been many fantastic 4v4 maps made that many have simply never heard of or seen. The UKPAK'S are an example. E3M7 lacks the thing that all good maps require - multiple routes. If someone could redesign it with a portal from Start - End (for example) or put pent in the middle switch box room, it would be so much better.
     
Max Rebo (213.64.160.153) 031202 @ 00:25:50
What the! I thought I'd won this argument :p .... Anyways, since we're 12 - 0 on E3M7 this season it shows you can mount a successful comeback on it, not matter the start, we did it vs CN and we tied it up with 2 secs to go and won in OT. Yeah, it plays a bit like CTF and it's hard to attack, but it can be done.
     
Link (80.213.39.223) 031202 @ 02:50:26
Dan: try and learn cmt5b.
     
Dan (213.112.67.141) 031202 @ 15:11:18
heh? Im not sure why you pointed out cmt5b, it seems a pretty average map. Maybe it was the multiple routes thing, that is something cmt5b has in excess, its almost verging on being messy =)
     
Link (80.203.229.225) 031202 @ 15:21:24
Most ppl are too stupid to learn it :) Maybe you are smart :>
     
pattah (212.202.29.186) 031202 @ 15:39:41
Div 5 had no map issues. I guess no clan chose that stupid E3M7. TB3, CMT3 and CMT4 they way... well done guys :D
     
pattah (212.202.29.186) 031202 @ 15:40:08
+all -y :(((
     
gaz (81.103.59.247) 031202 @ 15:58:36
pattah you're a retard :E
     
pattah (212.202.29.186) 031202 @ 16:18:18
I know :]
     
xhrl (24.80.51.162) 031217 @ 06:22:27
i admit to being too stupid to figure out cmt5b....i just can't get over the "lost" feeling when i spawn on it. sorry hagge and link.
     

 

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