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We've had a meeting tonight concerning the rules. The meeting itself was a huge success because the rules are now finalised.
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| I heartily approve of your decision to ban EzQuake | ||||
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FRJ and other scripts: will be allowed just like before. They are a part of the game and we see no need to ban them. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| agreed mrlame :E | ||||
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Yeah way to go! Ban the things which make the game more fun and allow the stupid shit! http://img74.exs.cx/img74/6209/ohwhoops.gif |
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| why i aint surprised that mrlame and fix are the very first whiners | ||||
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ye that spederj/kfjump script allowing sucks arse :K |
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| /agree mrlame | ||||
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Excuse me for my noobishness. but what exactly are/is kfjump and spederj. Or FRJ scripts? |
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| conserning :o | ||||
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Go on a server and type /kfjump or /krjump in the console. I stopped using them 1 y ago or something and i must say the game feels much better now, and when i see someone using scripts it feels "yuk" :) But i wouldn't go as far as banning them. |
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| son: what r u talking about, it says concerning right? :P (no I didn't edit it) | ||||
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It is certainly concerning that the priorities of the NQR crew seem to lie with limiting new things which add to the game and endorsing old things which detract from it. Colour me disappointed, i guess. |
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who cares about fkn scripts anyway.. it's 4on4 you won't do so many rljumps :< well hmm maybe dm2 big>gl which I can't do now without my script :((( |
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FYI Menth0l, the NQR crew was split down on the middle on the issues of KFJump and EZQuake. The main reason for allowing KFJump is that it would create an adminning nightmare. Beyond that, where do we stop? If we ban KFjump then should we ban weapon scripts too? We were very close to banning KFJump but it would have been very tough to implement. |
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| Lame to not allow ezquake. | ||||
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well oosi, Unlike you, those two players can do quad low to quad on dm2 without script. This skill becomes obsolete now. Its besides the point that you cant make it with a script either. |
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JKova :) I agree with gaz that banning scripting would have created an adminning nightmare, only adds one more topic to whine about after games... "he must have scripted that jump, please rule the game as a default for win for us, etc etc etc" glad the discussion is over, now that the rules are finalized... |
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Yes exactly it would be very hard for us admins to check if clans followed this or not. We discussed various aproaches to tackle this issue, but all of them seemed to have flaws, one way or another. This decision stands this season, we might do another decision till next NQR, but for NQR7 it will be allowed. |
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Exactly son, it would have been nigh-impossible for us to adjudicate in those kind of circumstances. Until we have a group of clients where we can definately disallow script jumping, I think it will remain disallowed. I understand it is possible to disallow it in EZQuake, but we would also be relying on it being applied in Fuhquake final. |
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You ppl need to realize that what we (The NQR Crew) is doing here, on this league, we do in our freetime. While we love QW and NQR we have to make it manageable, and doable. And as Gaz says; We need a to have a good easy way to handle script jumping, and those measures/handlinging that exists today is just to much work for us admins. |
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*** DON'T FUCK ABOUT WITH COMMENTS, MORON *** Edited with love from gaz |
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site is broken :o |
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Thank you Rei... Gaz can you delete his post. |
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| Thank you Gaz, you rule :)! | ||||
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Very good decisions made. I myself stopped caring about frj (as many other things that are part of the game). |
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| the new finnish admins kicks so much ass | ||||
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zzzz, 90% of the admins play in div's like div5, they dont know how fucking mad you can get when goljat etc, RJumps @ DM3 RA, DM3 pent, DM3 quad, DM2 QUAD, DM2 BIG, E1M2 YA ETC ETC ETC. I think they players should vote for this shit, not some stupid div5. It can be allowed in div5 but in div1 thats just too lame. I think a div1 player is supposed to know how to Rjump by themselfs. Banning fun nicks, yeah! how cool, we ban that stuff!!!! Fucking kid tourney. whatever, flamethrow me now,! |
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Snake: lol, and for your information we do not have any admins in Div5. Do not play in NQR, no one is forcing you. |
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give the admins a break... if the rules would have been the total opposit i swear it would be just as much whining then also... |
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| oh but what a loss to the community if snake isn't around :\ | ||||
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OK snake: billy - HGC - div 1 oosi - SSC - div 1 aken - paranoids - div 2 legio - vets - div 2 icce - vets - div 2 jkova - elaintarha - div 2 gaz - osams - div 3 whyz - osams - div 3 in summary snake, i suggest you do some research before opening your mouth, or preferably, you don't even open your mouth at all. retard. |
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| Yea Razor, offcourse it would, that's the life of a an admin :). | ||||
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gaz, what i ment was, a couple of guys deciding what 800 or what players should do, thats not good, its true its your league, and there is nothing else to play in but its bad that some guys about 10 of you should decide everything. And you guys does not represent the players. How hard is it to ban scripting in div1, not hard at all. yea lib, what a loss!!!!!! omg plz? I might be hated in the QW community but do I care? |
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i talk about div1 and maby 2. I dont think im alone whining about good players using Rjump.. |
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| word gaz. sanke = retard | ||||
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| snake, yeah goljat is better than you because he uses scripts. | ||||
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panic go and do some drugs, thats your only use in life, and dont disturb me, moron |
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You want to have an admin crew of 100? Nothing would ever get done because they'd never reach an agreement! |
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atm banning kfjump/frj scripts is not really feasible in team based leagues. In duel it is. But as we see in the national Duelmanias hardly anyone dares to make such an unpopular decision. |
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you are as dumb as i thought gaz... When i say that div1 players should know Rjump by themselfes, i mean that div1 players should vote for this, i think it would be banned if it was a vote, |
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Yeh, you're right, I'm the dumb one. Do you not understand what I've already said? The admins crew want to ban kfjump but it is very hard to stop it. Sure, you can turn kfjump off in kteams but many people (such as goljat) have custom rjump scripts, and without a client support we cannot stop these. It's too difficult to police this kind of issue because we are not full-time admins. |
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gaz, disable the turn and quicklookdown commands etc, that wouldnt be hard to do, If Rjumping is banned and someone is doing it, its very easy to see, everyone is spectating etc, and you will always get the traitor. I know its hard to ban, but its been like this for 2 seasons already. Its just so boring seing someone doing rjump to gl on dm2 without problems, coming in superspeed under quad, stealing it. I dont call that skill at all.. |
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HOW DO YOU DISABLE THOSE COMMANDS WITHOUT SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPERS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING? |
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| Yea i think i understand, you're prolly as cool irl as you are here. stupid fuck | ||||
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| I think the players would police themselves gaz if you would only punish it. | ||||
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Oh please snake, don't play the "i'm cooler than you irl" card, there's just no way I can respond to that!! |
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how come this fakenicking rule doesnt apply to gaz's clan osmas? http://www.nqr.nu/nqr7/clans.php?id=3 |
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hej hej monika hej p?rej monika! Just play your own game and win the games, its not hard to win vs a scripting team when your team isn not scripters. In 4on4 its more about teamplay. And i still think that div1 can decide just not to use frj even if it isn?t ruled out... Just act mature and everything will solve itself. |
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/agree mrlame /agree strife |
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haha gaz so you have a funny side also, i didnt think that =( horatio i think that too, but we have some lamers that can live without it, like mongoljat etc. piranha i dont think the rulez applies to the admin clans, its THIER clans you know. hi hi hi hi i |
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what are you talking about piraya? http://www.nqr.nu/nqr6/players.php?id=2347 http://www.nqr.nu/nqr 6/players.php?id=2344 http://www.nqr.nu/nqr5/players.php?id=1584 la kso/xtalon has changed his name and goes by petter on irc as well. |
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so? even if a person changes all his irc/qw/icq/msn/whatever nicks, it is still confusing for all the others. But that is allowed then? Kinda double morale imo... |
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yea, i can change my name to anything on both irc and quake then, so we change my name too? is it ok if i change it every week? pliiiiis can i PLIIIIIS? |
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What Error suggests is what is actually being done in german Duelmania. Anyone using kfjump etc is disqualified but we are not watching all demos or something. The strict rules prevent players from using it in the first place. |
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Ah, I spose stefan has changed his name (again). I'll speak to him and get him to change it. The rules *DO* apply to Osams as well, but I can't help it if my clanmate logs in and changes his name by himself now can I? |
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| I think last season the clans/nicks was locked? Just do that again then =) | ||||
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Sure you can, tell him what you guys tell us others, he can play in another tournament. YEAH! |
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Ok Horatio, back in 1999 when I started playing Quake I was known as "><(((('>". Should I change my name back? |
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Well you can debate this to death Snake, the rules still stands (atleast for this season of NQR). No whining you or any other ppl can put will make us do any changes in the rules now, that's that. |
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horatio: i locked it yesterday but since some clans need to make changes i unlocked it again until monday |
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yea i know that, but i want to whine, because this is bollocks. We should do what appolyn said about the german duelmania, it should be an unwriten rule, just main ethics, the same as people just doesnt drop. We should do a vote or discussion forum for just this, maby it justh as to apply on div1 clans, what i think its the most prestigeus div to win, and everyone is following it, not cool to win by a frag, caused by a kfjump to quad :) |
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same shit, different day. People never learn. i aint about scripts, it's the way you play as a team and your skill. I totally agree with you Horatio! |
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GAz, i am just pointing out that we are often known with diff names to diff persons... I mean some players use diff nicks for diff games and so on. But in a league maybe its a bit diff here. So well, guess i have to change my mind now after reading all the comments. I wouldnt be playing in all seasons since nqr2 if i didnt think it was a good league, even if i often state my opinion about rules etc. |
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yea its HOW you play, but its the same thing as the cl_truelightning 1, that affects the gameplay as much as kfjump, and that one is banned? I think its sad that some people just have to use it. And zilver, it doesnt matter if the teamplay is 100%, if someone uses kfjump, he has a huge advantage when it comes to gaining speed, quadjumps, he doesnt have to concentrate on anything, just pressing a button, l.a.m.e |
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| I thought you allready mastered all of those Snake by doing in manually? | ||||
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no i dont master any trick-jump 100% noone does, with kfjump, that precentage goes up 50% better, atleast. |
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how can u miss with scripts? =) i know i can :DD |
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snake if you are so upset about rjump scripts, why dont you just use them yourself? they way you are boasting yourself here could lead one to believe that with them you would rape everyone easily :) |
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I really love ezquake but I think not allowing it for this season at least is a good decision. There was enough trouble last time just getting everyone up to latest fuh + security pack, I dont wanna wait ages for a game to start cos loads of people need to go upgrade their copy of ezq + security pack + blahblah. Then what if a major bug slips through the net, does everyone have to rollback to the previous version? Max Rebo said it best on the forum I think: "Until we're sure that ezQuake won't be updated and patched less than one or two times during a season it should not be allowed, not just because of unexpected features like the teleport particles above, but also for ease of admining and for keeping the players with the latest version. There's still people out there with fuh 0.30, can you imagine how it'll look with a new ezQuake out each week? No, stability must be reached first, perhaps in time for the NQR play offs? " Also scripts suck. Be |
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| Horatio: if you get fps spike you can miss script jump (Y-movement) | ||||
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just imagine the debate on whether or not someone did a scripted rj or just made a really quick manual rj? until it is not possible to do automatic rj:s you simply can't ban them. |
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i think the lack of a rj script rule sucks and i totally understand why its not there :( |
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Who the hell thinks that frj is part of game? Some lame admin who doesnt have enough skill for manual rj. GG! I think everyone stands aganst frj script. I think we should ban 500hz mouse too, cause its too smooth? Like ezquake. WHEEHAAHAEEHAHEHEAHAEHAEHAEHHAE. DOH! Sucky league :C |
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Diki, if you read through these comments i think you'll find that all ppl are not against it, or atleast banning them is a hard task to accomplish, and to execute. But like i said to several others, if you don't like the league and the rules then DON'T play as simple as that! OR go and make your own l33t league. |
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What i meant to say is that; alot of ppl who is OK with not banning them, understands the difficultied in inforcing such a ban. We may not like having them in the league, but to police such a thing is out of proportions as of now. |
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Just an idea. You do not have to hunt the scripters down yourselve. If a clan thinks that an opponent used such scripts (or the built-in kfjump whatever) he _could_ point it the admins, providing a MVD and a demo_jump time. You could then give a warning, ban the player for a match or whatever. Together with the rule there shouldn't be that much of an effort. |
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Oh well... forgot to mention that you should state that "too much effort" offically and recall the part-of-the-game to show the programmers the importance of in-client blocking. |
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Diki wrote: "Who the hell thinks that frj is part of game? Some lame admin who doesnt have enough skill for manual rj." That's not the reason we haven't banned it, just the way that JKova wrote the news article. That's right, your clanmate said it. :P |
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pattah: That is the way we would police it, but I guess we were scared of a global situation where clans throw every match demo at the admins, and as you can imagine, with real lives, jobs and our own clans to attend to, we simply don't have time to sit through demos of every NQR game. |
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What I heard there was one vote more on the "for frj" than against frj. When you look at the polls done on qw.nu there have been a whole different kind of outcome. Not 50/50, more like 80/20 against it. - This is what I think snake meant, your ten-person-squad decides _against_ what the scene on the whole is thinking. And having just 1 division1-player, and one semidivision1 doesn't make it better. Wouldn't be hard at all to police it actually, just regulate it so that the one who is "suspecting" a frj have to be sure of it (have downloaded demo, and watched it) before they send it to ya with a demotime of the abuse. You could just recheck it in 1 minute and you're done. My estimation is that it would be like 1-2 cases / division for the whole season. No player really wanna ruin it's clan's chances. |
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I wasn't expecting this big a backlash... perhaps we need to review this issue big man... |
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it has nothing to do with what the majority of admins want and even less with what the majority of players want. first and foremost its a problem of enforcability. now, if anyone were to volunteer to personally check and decide, based on undeniably proof (and thats the though one), each complaint about scripts one way or the other, i'm quite sure the admins would even be willing to reconsider. as it is, i dont think they should. |
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Imo kfjumps are quite lame. It's very lame, actually i'm quite surprised that some div1 players or anyone at all uses that kinda scripts. C'mon we all love this game for it's speed but also the skill you need for it and then some people start using scripts which make it more easy. Quite a dissapointment for me. But I do understand the admins. It will take hours to check every match. Ok they won't have to check every match, but it is very likely that there will be a lot of people accusing other people of using scripts. It's easy to complain, but maybe some people who are going mental here (insane) should volunteer for some kind of scripting check group to support the admins. Maybe if some people will volunteer to help the admins with checking demos of people who are accused of kfjumps (etc.) the admins will decide otherwise. Anyways it's a difficult matter. Good luck |
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I'm sure that the people who are clamouring for the ban the most (Angua, snake, mrlame) would be all too keen to form such a group to decide on these issues. |
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omg 2 much whine, play and stfu plz. The rule is set, if you dont like it, well, get the fuck out of nqr.. the admins is doing a really good job, i have nothing to complain about, as i can see its like 5-10 persons of 800(!!) thats is not satisfied whith the rules, and i dont why they keep whineing??! keep up the good work admins!!! |
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speedjump -> weaponscript -> frjscript.. c?mon now, the game is evolving, why stop now? what will next step be in this process?, ?cos im sure there will be more steps to make this game faster and even more skillfull ,yeah you say "its so easy with frjscript", and ofcourse its more easy, but to be REALLY good with it, takes practise too.. and if YOU cant keep up with the game, YOU WILL BE LEFT BEHIND! sorry if i steps on many little kids toes and breaks your hearts, but this is actually true, if you all stops and think. you will come to the same conclusion, or do you want all to start with keyboard and fov 90 too, like in 1996??? |
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| bun, du har aldig n?gra ?sikter om det inte involverar h?star och runka... bah | ||||
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I think you should ban all scripts. :) Allt handlar om frags. |
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gaz, if you didn't get that, my idea was that the person who actually complained should already have watched the demo, he notes the demotime, and playerpov. THEN he contacts the admins. And yes, I would actually volunteer of checking 1-2 demos every season, which is what it would take... as people don't "cheat" when it's so easy to get caught. |
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lagge, those examples are kinda weird actually, as "kfjump" didn't even exist in standard quakeworld. It's a ktpro feature, same with the command rotate. you could always strafe and jump at the same time, and you've always been able to make a standard weaponscript like "impulse 2;wait;impulse 3;+attack" ... but yes, frj-scripts CAN be scripted too. But as they rely on fps it's kind of a different matter. -> you can't be sure the rocketjump will suceed. |
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i have always used scripted rocketjump, never used the command in qw /kfjump or what it is... |
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I agree with Angua, if you yourself find the exploit and report it, report what time and give demo to admin it's not that much of work. And it shouldn't happen much, maybe some in the first rounds of games but after that not often. I understand how the admins think, but I seriously don't think you'd be overloaded with conflicts about scripted rjs if you'd ban them. |
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that everything that YOU can type in YOUR cfg is according to me ok to use. if there is coming a ban against scripts, i really hope its a ban for ALL SCRIPT and not only frjscript and similar... and thats actually all that i have to say in this question. gl hf gg |
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Why dont you all use kfjump? If you all saying that the kf-script is so much better? |
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Well keep on whining, debating or whatever. This rule will not change, and it doesn't make any difference how much you think your words are "Oh So Wise" ones. The rules are set, and we are go for launch, if ya wanna be debating about this, then keep for the next season, where it might come up on discussions once again, but for this season it's allready decided and the RULES ARE FINAL! |
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Banning all scripts would be nice, but banning rj scripts would be a good starter. By banning aliases you'd ban rjscripts, weaponscripts, advanced fuh teamsay scripts and nothing that you'd miss except maybe short commands for servers. |
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pyta for president!!! \o/ :)))) |
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haha, i've used selfmade script for the kfjump in last 4-5 years. though, i dont give a shit if kfjump is allowed or not, im not using that in 4on4's anyway :] |
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http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038 I rest my case. |
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All the pure players will for sure earn my respect. Ditch the scripts and you'll get a new challenge in the world of Quake. .) |
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"quesus - 194.47.118.136 040929 @ 19:33:53 Why dont you all use kfjump? If you all saying that the kf-script is so much better? " *smacks forehead* |
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nice angua, then its only 615 more player to vote before reaching nqr population.. maybe next nqr all players need to vote for script y/n , to get an end to this whineing.. i rest in my bed. |
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Add a new rule..something like this but with better words :> ....."if you use kfjump/krjump/scriptjump you will be banned from nqr this season and your clan looses X points" I dont think anyone would be stupid enough to wanna try to use it then...and then follow anguas example: "my idea was that the person who actually complained should already have watched the demo, he notes the demotime, and playerpov. THEN he contacts the admins." That shouldnt require any new client versions and prolly not take to much of the admins time..(or anguas volunteer group) btw, how many nqr admins are using kfjump/scriptjump etc ? |
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I think it's time to start abusing the script abilities in QW to see how far u can push the limit, al Goljat. Maybe when everyone uses various scripts people will realise that it's not fun anymore. I can't really understand peoples desire to do tricks and "smart" solutions all the time to make them better/ or make their gameplay easier compared to the opponents, there are some unwritten rules OBEY them and stop abusing the lame script abbillities in QW (that goes for Jez's lame autoreporting aswell). And I believe that a big punishment (like losing 3 points or something) for using frj would definently prevent 99,9% of the players to use it because of the risk to be caught. I mean how often do people check the f_version before a regular game?? i could just aswell use my own aimbot qw or anything, but it would be obvious for the spectators that would report this and, me or my clan would be banned for this. |
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What Manu above says is exactly what i did at the german Duelmania. In such a small environment it is perfectly feasible and duel is where thise scripts are more of a problem than 4on4 imo. Because of that rule there are at least 3-4 good players not taking part. Many more do not like the rule either but they accepted it and compete anyway. Only one player got disqualified for using it. He wasnt aware of the rule and much to my own regret he was kicked. But anything else would have defied my interest in educating the players not to use those scripts in the first place. In NQR i dont think it is feasible at the moment. Of course the rules could be made like that but i am sure a lot of players would refuse to compete. Not because they really need kfjump but because they feel forced to do something they dont want to. And the bigger the league the more evil the admin crew gets in many players eyes. So in the end the league would hurt itself even though the administration would do the right thing. The main problem is that both clients and servermods give us the ability to use scripted rocketjumps, in other words we got "freedom". And many players cant stand if their "freedom" is taken away, whether the reason makes sense or not. So the only good way for a 4on4 league of NQR's size is to remove it both from clients and servermods. Then it will be easier to accept for everyone. Of course there will be complaints about that removal as well but the community wasnt asked about whether kfjump, shownick, or advanced messages are wanted either. And i think all these thinks hurt the competition even if the intention behind them was good. |
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this whole discussion doesn't have any sense. back in 1999 there were attempts to ban brightskins. there were big group of noisy qw-purists with similiar arguments. how it has ended we may see now, 5 years later. and no, brightskins didn't exist in original qwcl. it has been considered even a cheat for some time. you may ban scripts in any way you wish, but the only thing you may win here is loss of many qw players. is it really what you want to accomplish? it seems you people always need something to whine about. just try to play better and use fjump if you say it makes qw easier, i don't care. it's no more cheat than brightskins, weapons scripts or inteligent say_teams are. grief. |
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LOL! A FLAMEWAR WITHOUT ME IN IT? WTF! I just wanna say one thing; all you ppl who wanna ban frl-jump scripts, but thinks sg/axe-script is ok: plz stfu, not loosing RL is also a skill, and should NOT be automated. My ass laughs :) |
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Seems like QW-scene has to whine about something, always. I would be happy to see rules/map rotation that wouldn't create such a useless ranting every time. And these rules should come as a surprise, since as gaz said, it's impossible to ban rjump scripts with current clients or server mods. I think this matter should be discussed when we have a secure and tested way to disable those features. Meanwhile why can't we all just get along and try to play the game like gentlemen? I think gaz and other NQR admins have used a lot of their spare time on this league and people don't seem to respect that. |
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Of course people respect that Blob, thanks for a very good league all admins! But we still want to air our opinions :) |
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Well, I still say only ppl who fight for keeping jump scripts are ppl who use it only to get advantage - and most of them see the reasoning for banning... they simply fight for it out of lazyness/convinience. It's not like thwy would stop playing like plast suggests. We have already done several polls about it, and vast majority wants it banned. It's about time admins all over scene pulled together and got this out of the system! I'm sure if they appealed to the public for support on this issue it wouldn't be so hard. If ppl argue FOR kfjumps being reinstated beacuse teamplay scripts aren't banned - maybe just say one step at a time? At least getting rid of scripted jumps in a big step in the right direction. eZQuake supports completely removal of manual moement scripts (I've been told), and so fuhquake could do the same. With this totally blocked client side for next season there are no longer excuses to hold on to this. The public has spoken on many occasions - GET RID OF MOVEMENT SCRIPTS - It can't be much longer before acted upon! |
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Well, I still say only ppl who fight for keeping bright skins are ppl who use it only to get advantage - and most of them see the reasoning for banning... they simply fight for it out of lazyness/convinience. Etc. Etc. Etc. It fits to almost everything what gives you an potential advantage. Don't you see it? Scripts, including jump scripts were in QW long before someone even could think about ktpro with kfjump implemented, long before mqwcl/fuhquake were made. It's been part of the game since 1997. You may ban it, you may force fuh/ezquake authors to disable it, but you won't change the fact. I can play w/o it, but it's simply not fair to ban something what people's been using for last 6-7 years just because you think it's lame. And don't hide behind polls cause they prove nothing. I can change my IP every 60 seconds and vote 1000 if I only wish. Better look at NQR admins internal vote results. |
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"And don't hide behind polls cause they prove nothing. I can change my IP every 60 seconds and vote 1000 if I only wish. Better look at NQR admins internal vote results. " Yeah, you could change your ip every 60 seconds and vote a thousand times, but you haven't done that. So we're good. |
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and btw. Where are the talented players who use kfjump, they don't even bother discussing it, because they know they can do the rocketjumps kinda easy without the script too. I see like .... 0 division1-players who've been for frj here... (depends on if you count oosi as division1) |
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NQRADMINS: how many of the nqr admins that voted against baning kfjump do u think use kfjump themself ? if a few new movement bots were implemented in ktpro, should u allow them to ? perhaps a speedjump command take gives u a perfect 500speed first speedjump? I would love to be able to jump from gl->ya at cmt4 a little more easy. You can do i manually but its hard...and with a ktpro serveralias im sure it would be more easy. |
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Movescripting is like religion.. when its gone we are all gonna be embarassed for ever using it (thoose who did that is), ban it and get it over with once and for all. |
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Hey, this is the fourth thread this season that's reached over 100 comments, supercalifragawhatevermspoppinssaid! And plast, rocketjump scripts have been around since the beginning, but not FORWARD rocket jump, which was first introduced in -99 (?), but it was not used widely until it's implementation in KTPRO later on. |
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yea, totally agree with para on this one, angua also says something very good, I could easilly check demos if someone was claimed with using KFjump etc, this has been a big problem for some time now. Its like appolyn said and angua, we can have an unwriten rule, in div-1 i think, that if a clan uses KFjumping, they will lose points or the will have that player/clan banned. I think thats a very good rule, and i dont think any normal person would use KFjump then. When it comes to the fkn lame teamconfigs like jezaja's and that guy from freedom, who makes all the locs? :) Those are just embarrasing, timing all 100+, etc, etc, If we dont do anything QW will evolve to a lame platform when some guys play in real skill and do the real jumps, while other people just rely on a button press to do a manouver or anything else. plz plz plz. GIVE DIV1 THIS RULE, "NO MORE KFJUMP, RESULTING IN LOSING POINTS OR BANN!!!" I can be volunteer for demochecking.. /Martin |
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lavos: I would but then i'd have to lean how to drop like a wet sack of rocks and cry like a little bitch whenever someone invades my personal space of 2,5 metres. |
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i use fjump script, dont need it tho, infact sometimes it makes me fuckup cuz i use it when i shouldnt.... its part of the game now live with it..... why do you guys care so much about it anyway... its just the same as a weapon script in essence... |
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here comes poooopeeey whit chunk of whine. its just stupid to allow scripts such as kfjump because it takes away one reason to be skilled at movement. why would anyone really wanna try to become better at movement now when you can get all the help you want from a script. takes away the fun of becoming better. i still wont use it :P BL |
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May I politely remind you of several div1-games in the last seasons, where some admin-decisions caused much discussion and grief? Now think of a div1-clan losing 3 points, because someone (admin or no) says "in this demo there is a scripted jump". Can you imagine the commencing mudwar "thats skill", "no thats script", "thats random lag + skill", "lucky" etc. As long as there is no way to technically block scripted jumps 100%, such a rule is not enforcable in a sensible way, *especially* not in div1. Good thing I retired from QW about 5 years ago. The bickering and general unappreciativeness of the QW players hasn't changed a bit. I am not missing it, reading up on nrq.nu and qw.nu from time to time I receive enough of that dose. |
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Actually kfjump is really pathetic. I'm pretty new to this, first nqr that is. And i'm training rj's and jumps and now i hear that i can bind a few buttons and when I press them I can do every fucking trick. Really the more I think about kfjump the more pathetic it becomes. It's too late to ban it this season, but it surely should be considered again next season. Blob: In every scene there are discussions. It's nothing special here. Actually the discussions(whine) are pretty good with most people giving good arguments and there ain't much insults. plast: " it's no more cheat than brightskins, weapons scripts or inteligent say_teams are." True, let's ban them all!:) Right now I only use brightskins but i can do without them. I also have some automsg's like took rl at rl and team quad, but I surely can do without them. |
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I just have one more thing to say, NQR rocks, goljat, vana etc who uses scriptmoves fucking suck, no respect to you =( |
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retired there is no whine in other scenes? There is nothing special about the 'whine' in the qw scene. It's ok to share your opinion and discuss about it with others. With all respect for the admins ofcourse, they are spending a lot of spare time for us and i'm very thankful for it. There won't be any changes in the rules this season but maybe the admins will ban it next season and it won't happen if we don't discuss about it. |
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Rage: the QW scene is special in that the game is (relatively) old, the scene is small and most players still active have been at it for several years. Even when someone started playing 14 years old, you should expect a certain process of maturing. Sure, discussion and constructive criticism are good and necessary. But most of the so-called "whine" I read when browsing nqr.nu and qw.nu contains barbs in all directions, various versions of "i am better than you" and similar things. Even I - and I have absolutely no ties to QW anymore - find those posts offensive. My thanks to all people who keep QW alive by organizing tournaments or improving the game. I don't know why you still put up with it, but it provides me with a nice distraction during work and a chance to relive the old times. |
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Angua -> "Yeah, you could change your ip every 60 seconds and vote a thousand times, but you haven't done that. So we're good." Gimme prove that all these votes were totally independent. Cause the only prove I've got right now are results of internal NQR admins voting which are a bit different than the poll you refer to. Anyway, it's kinda piteously way to use democracy: "lets ban what was in QW from the beginning but we think is lame cause we've got majority". Just imagine what would've happen if Q2/Q3 players have come to QW and started changing things they think are lame (too fast rockets, weird physics, no railgun, etc.). Yes, it's not the same, but it's very similiar. I SAY: LEAVE IT ALONE DAMIT. Let the people decide if they want to play w/ or w/o those kind of things, but do not force anyone! There is no real reason to ban it, as there is no reason to ban weapon scripts, bright skins or mp3 player (omg it can affect gameplay as well, did you now?). It's part of the game. We play the game for fun not for money, aren't we? Max Rebo -> I had my own set of scripts back in 97-98 which I wrote by myself, including sth like today's fjump. Most of them were just for testing purposes tho. It became popular in 99. I would take a chance to say that if it wasn't never implemented into ktpro it wouldn't be a problem at all like it is right now. |
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Thank you retired for the kind words. Yeah sometimes you ask your self "Why do we put up with this?". But we love the game, and we have learned to deal with the whine, in a way that it doesn't "get you". I have been doing this; Admining, Helping the scene by beeing in the NQR Crew since NQR1, so i have had my share of experience into dealing with whine/criticism, and i know alot of other admins who share that experience with me. What we do here we do for the game Quakeworld, we are as of now the biggest 4on4 Quakeworld league in the entire world...atleast to my knowledge, it's a shame so many players/clans take this work for granted, but we do appriciate the little PM's we get from time to time or some nice comments on the news that's easily disapears amongst all the trash talk, but those words we get encourages us to go on, continuing to lead the QW 4on4 onwards. |
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kfjump owns. prewar wouldn't be the same without it. i agree with plast and link. at first when those axe/boom switchbackscripts came we all hated them, since we were used to get a rl if we killed someone that had rl. then someone discovered those fullbrightskins (and fake models short after that). we forbid the "cheat"-models but kept the skins. it seems that the people most against those jumps are people fearing that someone else will use the scripts and beat them. learn to handle it instead of crying like babys. (and don't come with the shit "OMG NAKOZ NOOB" just because i have the ability to ADAPT (search google if it's a new word for some of you)). i'm not sure, but i think i speak for almost all of us in oblivion ("OMG LAME DIV5 OBLIVION") lol. |
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ye, almost forgot, very good job once again by the admins, thanks for giving us the best quakeworld tournament in europe. |
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Having good movement in QW should be a skill and not something you can do by pressing a button. As someone already said, how fun would it be if we implemented a script to make a perfect first bunnyhop. And another script for this, and one for that too... |
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it's impossible to draw the line in scripting! weaponscripts, skilled or cheat pyta? |
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it's one thing if it was forbidden when it came, but now many people, including me, has adapted to the new features, such as: fullbrights, weaponscripts, kfjump, advanced teamsays. i'm not sure if i can rjump without kfjump anymore, haven't tried for about a year or so, and i see no reason to do it now either. i think the qw-scene would have been dead if the game wouldn't have evolved. |
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Using a script is also a skill. It's not like "press the button and win teh match". Is it? |
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So you're saying that you can't do it and you don't want QW to be a game of skill. Evolving is generally a good thing but history has showed that while experimenting things can go wrong and it's never to late to make it right instead. kfjump isn't evolving. Evolving is fuhquake, better graphics, new tricks found out, new maps being made. Not automated moving. |
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kfjump/brightskins/boomstick scripts are not the same, except that two of them are scripts and all have obvious advantagess. brightskins we got thanks to differences in sw and gl clients. Try playing sw with nonfullbright base skin and then same base skin in gl and gl has a huge advantage. boomstick scripts were invented by id software actually (check the orignal readme carefully) and it is absolutely right to argue that manual selection is much more skillful. removing them would have a dramatic impact on gameplay though, it would be almost playing like dmm3 instead of dmm1. eventually banning kfjump will have only a minor impact on gameplay if at all, while the game itself would get more challenging (again). which is an acceptable payoff in my opinion. |
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lolx. Everyone should be able to play with fps what they like etc, that should be part of the game, not some noskill scripts that do things for you. I myself had to learn doing rj, just as aiming, it should be that way. |
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plast I've heard that argument and it's the worst one by far. It's like "press the button and boom you teleport to dm2 mega" while getting there without scripts is a skill. |
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good job admin crew, i like the rules. but plz, if you are going to change to rules to whatever may be, make it in some democratic way, so you don't piss off the other 50% of the community. and no, there is no vast majority of anti-rl-script peeps. people talking of that are just dreaming... |
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About evolution: with kfjump qw did evolve. because it was an easy tool to find new ways of moving around on maps fast. we do not need kfjump itself though, just our personal skill. so kfjump can go while what it contributed to qw gameplay still remains. |
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Pyta -> We're not talking about fantasy but about real things. Until you aren't able to make script which teleports you somewhere during match (not practice mode), don't use it as an argument cause you could also say you've got "win vs reppie" script and u use it only from time to time and it would be the same fantasy :E. The truth is: - there is no way of making scripts that would play for you and win matches, - every one of current popular jump script is possible to make using only standard QW console commands developed by iD. By the way, this discussion goes nowhere. As always :E. |
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Also every current popular jump can be made manually. It is just harder and less fail safe than with script. Which is good imo. |
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I use kfjump but wouldnt mind removing them. I only started using it because others did. Pent runs from a skilled kfjumper are nasty. |
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plast: I didn't mean that the script really teleported you, but that's almost what it does since it takes 0.3 seconds and you're there with just a touch at your keyboard. Wow what amazing skill. Another thing that you might've missed is that not everything that ID software implemented is always good and should be okay for the scene to use. |
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hi i am rullstoljat, scriptholic, i started to use scripts about 4years ago. I am sick, but now i have been without scripts for 25mins. I'm aiming for one day without script mark. Good luck to everyone. -rotate 180;+forward;+jump |
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Plast wrote: "There is no way of making scripts that would play for you and win matches." Of coruse there isn't, but the scripts that do exist improves your chances quite alot depending on what level and map you're playing on. |
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Hey Jjonez, wanneer ga je tegen vleesch spelen voor duelmania.nl :)? Go NQR, i'm looking forward to winning div2 ! \o/ I'm a div2 hero, that's why. |
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Apollyon -> OMG, everything can be done in QW even w/o monitor if you wish. "It is just harder and less fail safe" and takes more practice to learn :E. Pyta -> Sorry I don't get a point. It takes exectly same amout of time no matter if you do it w/ script or manually. |
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Ake Vader -> Good. So at least we came to conclusion that scripts don't play for you, but just do what other things also used to do. By other things I mean good mouse, good monitor, good headphones, good table, good chair, etc. I personally think that using mouse which costs over 50$ is lame, but I don't intend to ban it. Got it? :E |
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Plast, perhaps you wrote frj script back in 97-98, it doesn't matter since it wasn't publically displayed until Venture used it in -99, and no one knew about them until then, except you of course. I agree that the problem would be far smaller if KTPRO hadn't implemented kfjump. |
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we should all use fov 90 and no mouse, just for the SKILL!! and btw, i have a friend, who knows a lame friend, who knows a lame friend, who knows snake.. |
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plast: Yes but if you do it with script all you have to do is click a button, and you say that using scripts needs skill. Skill is getting up there without a script. |
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@Plast: Well, a friggin' monitor doesn't perform a perfect move for you in game, now does it? :) And now you may go like "well, but weaponscripts sure do!" - ban them as well then. I for sure won't miss em. Btw, the least thing an axe-/boomstickscriptuser could do is to make sure he uses the axe-script so one could be sure that he dropped his RL in that backpack. :) |
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sigh, it is impossible to have a serious argument with some people. "no monitor also means more skill is needed" what kind of retarded argument is that??? QWHC decision please! |
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why have ruleset -smackdown, then allow scripts. Seems stupid to me. Ps I am not in your league but I think if a TF community is smart enough to ban frj, maybe u should think about your decision a bit more wisely. |
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Merc: unfortunately ruleset smackdown is very outdated. During the last smackdown season, Fuhquake wasnt even allowed yet! |
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I don't see the point of KFjump personally, it takes part of the FUN out of QW. I enjoy laughing at myself when I fuck up DM3 lifts-window jump, or when I fly into the Jesus on Dm2 instead of GL :P |
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Max Rebo -> I said "similiar to fjump", not today's fjump. I didn't say I wrote fjump before Venture ;). Pyta -> No, it's not only "click a button". Ake Vader -> Yes it does. I can't play QW w/o at least 17" =). Apollyon -> Retarded argument in retarded discussion maybe? Like I said: ban good mouses cause using such helps a lot in gaining good movement skill. Doesn't it? You'll say for sure one can do every trick even using old rusty mouse and that's true. But that doesn't mean someone is gonna give up his "advantage" just cause of that. |
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Just ban the FRJ-scripts, ok? When the script-kiddies eventually learn how to RJ manually they will stop complaining, believe me. |
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You are comparing apples with bananas questioning the discussion itself instead of using sensible arguments. Get some rhetoric lessons plz! how wait, argueing on the internet is like competing in the paralympics... so i will stop here. QWHC plz! |
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I've been using all semsible arguments before and as always it hasn't convinced you simply 'cause "fjump is so laaameee". Anyway I've already said everything I had to say in this topic. EOT from me. Ban what you want to ban and do want you want to do, I don't care a bit. |
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I didnt say "fjump is so laaaaame" at all. I never said that. These jumps are cool and added alot to qw. The scripts however are totally useless as they newbiefy qw. And even more elaborate arguments of mine can be found at qw.nu forum. |
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really last comment from me here :E gaz: You're right of course. But there are several important differences: - fjump doesn't enable sth not possible w/o it, aimbot does (like 100% LG), - fjump is not the only thing that "automatically does something that you wouldn't necessarily be able to do otherwise", brightskins automatically help you to see enemy in dark places, intelligent say_teams automatically report important messages to your team, weapon scripts fast and automatically change you weapon when it's needed, etc. etc. etc. See the point? The point is if you ban fjump then if you don't want to be considered hypocrite you'll have to ban all those things to be fair. If that's your intention then OK. real EOT cause it leads nowhere :) |
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I agree, I would ban weapon scripts too; just use fairpacks last weapon fired and everything is fine :EE And I think that those auto team msgs are totally lame. The scripting stuff is nice, like giving different messages depending on your status but the auto-took stuff is going too far. Anyway, consider this post to be a "THREAD IS LOCKED" type one. Please stfu :D |
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Seriously, don't you scriptusers think that QW would be more fun if you learned to do all these jumps without the scripts? |
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Horatio, then it won't matter if you throw em away. ;) From now on i'll just stfu in this thread. :x |
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Ok, i've just checked some nice scripts. There was a very nice script u can use if u fall into lava in 200/mega room dm2, u simply just go up on the little edge press a button and it automaticly jumps back to the platform, with my connection i could actually do this back and forth like 50 times a row without failing. I tried like 30 times to manage to do the jump manually, without sucess.. Scripts takes away personal concentration, coordination so on, and u have a much higher % of succeding. I agree with Para and Apollyon, i've said this before, i say it again, stop using other arguments as an argument for your own argument so to speak. What i mean with this *bs* is that u say just because we are allowed to drive a car we should just aswell be allowed to drive 350km/h, then if someone says "well i think u should be able to drive a car, but not that fast" then u use the argumenting "well if u say that we might just aswell forbid any driving", anyone see my point? keep your argumenting to WHY you think fjump should be allowed, STOP using the ban all or nothing argument!! |
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well, most likely if we disallow fjump you can always do alias. and we cant remove those commands whats INSIDE the qw code :< |
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it would be more like this doping thing they have in sports..there is no way to make people not to use them..but you can still write in the rules that they are not allowed..and do some checks..first might be the cmd line command that disables scriptjumps..not sure how effective it is tho...but like its not that easy to go with scripts unspotted @ offical nqr game with all specs etc..of coz you can try and you can get away with it...but if you get caught punishment should be major one...something like this could work..tho i know it has lots of wholes and so on...just writing :/ and just forget the weaponscript topic...you should all focus tho these movementscripts instead |
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I just wonder how many of kfjump haters use +attack;+jump script (which can't be detected in any way). Don't say its not the same, i do stairs2mega on dm2 60% manually, 95% with that... |
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Chipi: I use it in dm2 duels sometimes because of that stairs to mega jump. I don't think its as bad as kfjump tho because it doesn't move your mouse for you. I dont see why anyone would use it for normal rjumps. |
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Have any of the NQR. admins considered mailing fuh? Asking him if he would be so kind to update the smackdown ruleset, to disable the possibility to make client side rocketjump scripts. Then release a new fuhquake version with a security module. |
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/me agrees with Apollyon. actually that rule about kfjump from duelmania.de is kinda feasible. no need for client ban. simply ppl will notice if someone uses it and report to admins.. doesnt seem that difficult to implement.. |
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i can understand completely the difficulty of trying to enforce a movement scripts ban. Nevertheless I would still like to have seen the ban on scripted movement be in the nqr rules: it would be a solid first step toward getting rid of all scrpts. I am hopeful next season there will be a more effective way to manage this movement script issue client side. smashing job admins, I appreciate your conservative approach to implementing this. respectfully, xhrl |
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| C: best comment by far. | ||||
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do u use beta blocking agents to improve your lg aim? and NQR cant do nothing about it! |
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Well, there is still a point, script have been around since quake once was built, and it's a build in function in quakeworld, baning them is like removing our freedom of anarchy, well anyway, players playing for fun don't like such script because ultra seriously goljat is using them.. intergrating.. anyway, stop the whine dudes, if you dont want it, just don't use it, and then we will see.. those others players using it will also stop using it.. it's just a matter of time |
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Where there's a will, there's a way. I hate to see the community being held hostage by lame frj users just because "we can't stop them". Of course we can't if we don't even try. |
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| 228 comments? how FUCKING GAY CAN U GET U RETARDS!?!?!?! STFU!!!!!!!!!!! | ||||
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"They are a part of the game and we see no need to ban them. " HELL YE... if we ban frj, we can also ban quick/fastrl... and play with "change weapon" button.. fucking retards |
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hahahha!!!!! ban all scripts!!!!!! ban screens!!!!! ban keyboards!!!!!!! ban sound AH YEEE!!! ban MOUSE FFS CHEAT IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS WE DIDNT USE MOUSE NOW ITS ALL CHEAT.. BAN BAN BAN PLZZZZZZZZ.... qw is all about BAAAAAAAAAANNING!!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! BANNNNNN |
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oosi - 80.222.77.85 040930 @ 20:19:39 well, most likely if we disallow fjump you can always do alias. and we cant remove those commands whats INSIDE the qw code :< you now... the source code of the qwcl.exe has been released |
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| och jag vet att min engelska suger:P | ||||
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get a life guys! if a fuckin script makes you all that mad its already going down in ur life suckers who wanna just whine bout it. buahahaha hajotkaa vitun apinat! :Ee |
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Hey, I'm div 5 and suck even there. But I still don't use frj and can't understand those who use. Actually I don't think many even in div5 use it. There is no dignity. Please, Goljat and and others, be manly men and quit frj - voluntarily - you don't need the rule to be imposed on you. This scene is about winning, yeah, but respect has a significant part too. ?) I understand frj-banning is an admin nightmare, so I respect the NQR crew's decision, the news update could have been toned a bit differently - I believe only a minority uses frj. Btw, there are now same people developing both ezquake and mvdserver, which should make all this rulesetting stuff easier in the future. NQR8 - Ezquake, high fps, no frj, k? |
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who needs ezquake when we got qwcl+qizmo? mqcl, fuhquake and ezquake is only noob attractions... i would play qwcl+qizmo if we where allowed to |
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It's simple as hell to implement. If a team thinks another team has broken the kfjump rule, they have to provide a demo to the admin and say at exactly which point in the demo the kfjump occurs. Simple with todays MVD servers. Try to find another reason to allow, because that one just doesn't cut it. |
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what about banning the whiners instead of banning the scripts? that would work better. its not like the whiners cant use scripts they dont use cause they dont want but the scripts are there if they dont want to use them then fuck them stop whining and play |
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live with your decision of not using it thats your choice so no1 has advantage on no1 cause anybody can use script so ppl prefer to use and some dont period if u choose not to then stop whining about it. |
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I choose to not use an aimbot as well. Does that mean aimbots should be allowed? You didn't go to school very often did you? |
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Slackers - noobclan 658:-23 dm2. Noob1: I have seen goljat pushed kjfump when he jumped up to quad! winner: noobclan. GG |
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Chipi: if something is forbidden, then it's forbidden. What if in that same match Goljat used an aimbot to get just one frag? It would still be against the rules. |
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| STFU,, whine again next season fkn cunts | ||||
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| znappe 4 prezident! | ||||
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| lol scripts a part of the game? | ||||
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ni anv?dner FB-SKINS HELA J?VLA BUNTEN.. och det ?r inte ens en del av spelet puss p? dig oddjob l?ve you ;) |
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some scripts are useful, some scripts exploite gameplay or phsyics. Those that do exploit and are controllable should be disabled. We all once used frj, and then we banned it. At first ppl cried but now everyone got used to it and no one has a problem. Manual is really not that hard. |
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paradoks fuskar ocks?... cheapo 2.61, han har v?l en ny 2.62 som s?ger fuhquake ist?llet |
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im too old to jump manually again, havent made a manual jump since... hmm.. early 2001? :) my wrist cant take it! its too old and damaged from years OF PROGAMING maIAhoiHAoiHAOihOIAhoi ............ nah but seriously FUCK U, frj for the ppl! at least me.. so go fuck yourselfs bitches |
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I think some of you really take this too serious. There is no money here just for fun. I really cannot see a problem playing vs some one who uses scripts. If you know they use them you know what they will do and how they will use it. |
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This is so funny! As they say: WHINE again next season cuz this one is on its way lamers. Is it really so hard to beat a scripting clan? I don?t think so, so go to bed kids. |
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Who said there's a "problem" with playing against someone who uses scripts? There's no problem. They just have an advantage they don't deserve, that's all. |
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In 4on4 there is only a marginal advantage since its more about teamplay and smartness than speed and rjumps... |
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finnish quakers don't have the smartness required ! hence the whine! :<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
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Who are the kids? I'm not seeing anyone that wants to ban it calling the scripters names. Perhaps I missed something in my scanthrough, but the kids I spotted are surely the ones going "WHINE AGAIN NEXT SEASON FUCKERS". |
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Discussion is over, please continue this debate on the qw.nu forums if necessary. NQR will not be changing this rule this season, I'm afraid. |
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you can disable frj by fpd in ezquake because fuh coded it in fuhquake originally :) you can disable it in zquake too, but of course there's no cheat prot.. |
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I think it's great that people actually _do_ discuss this here, as you nqr admins see what you've done :) You've kinda gone right opposite to what the qw-scene thinks about frj. My guess, is that just that fact, is what's making everyone keen on complaining. I don't really care if someone kfjumps or such in a game. Though this decision is just crap. That's why I've even pushed some arguments into this... |
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Well I agree, I want it banned as well. But the admin team made a joint decision and the others are apparently entirely against reviewing that decision. So, there's nothing to be done by arguing either way. |
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u r all wankers!!!!!!!! i will frj FOREVER!!!!! and u CANNT STOP ME MOAiHAIOhIOAHioHAoiHAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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varf?r man s? glatt att banna frj n?r alla anv?nder fb skins ?.. fan s? lika mycket som "fusk" |
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:=O frj is not that much advantage. Let the ppl who like it continue to use it. Stop whining on nqr crew. I believe nqr is one of the reasons why the qwscene is still alive. There are lots of tournys but nqr is the best and the one that people enjoy the most. Keep on the good work! |
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Indeed, before NQR7 signups were announced, you would be lucky to see 2 4on4 games happening at once on a week night, now there are a lot more. |
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Aboslutely true, without NQR qw would be dead. And I think were all happy with the admins that they want to put time into this. But it doesn't mean that people are forbidden to give their opinion about kfjump:) |
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yes it is.. WHAT THE FUCK DO U THINK THIS IS???? SOME KIND OF DEMOCRACY???????? noooooo this is QQQQW as in QUAKEWORLD.. its me who decides what's IN and OUT.. noone else.. GET IT!???!?......... good. |
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XantoM, that's just lame not complaining on things you consider wrong. You should always express what you feel, no matter how much good the person/league has done before or now. Just like the now pretty old paradoks-banning-mrlame-story, everyone knows paradoks has made pretty much to the scene, though when he makes a major mistake, people complain, and he actually understands it (shockers) bottomline: complaints are good. |
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angua wrote: You should always express what you feel, no matter how much good the person/league has done before or now. was that something your therapist told you? =) frj is fun and gives a more balanced game, since everybody can use it. quake becomes more focused on teamplay, aim and timing.. |
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oh god nakoz. The game becomes more balanced? Go play cs that's balanced, the movement is so easy that everyone can do it. the game should be about teamplay,timing,aim AND MOVEMENT! |
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that was funny, oh so funny... almost laughing. No, I don't have therapist, as I don't need one, therefor no therapist has told me anything. frj is fun? k, so is aimbot... you get frags!! more balanced game, ok, if everyone use aimbot everyone rox, very balanced!! Please go on with your smashing arguments nakoz. |
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While I would really like to play in a league where fjump scripts (and movement scripts in general) weren't allowed, I can understand their reasoning. The admins put in a lot more work than they have to already and we should respect their decision. But that does not mean we should stop discussing the issue, if we want to eventually achieve a scene free of scriptjumping. gaz is right though, this is not the right place to continue this discussion. How about this: Someone should put up a webpage where we gather all the _good_ arguments from both sides. (actually apollyon is the only one in this thread who seems to have given it some real thought, but i'm sure you could make better arguments for the other case than we've seen here) Then we could have something like a poll of all clans for next nqr where we make sure each clans representative has read through the arguments of both sides before they get to vote (i have a few ideas about how to do that) If there is a large majority in favor of removing it, then imo there's no reason to keep it. (if kfjump is the only thing keeping some people in qw, they won't stay long anyway) |
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doenst matter if u ban kfjump really. ill just use an forwardjump aliasbinded instead.. works as good... so np. |
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Howto ban fjump scripts 1.Update the smackdown ruleset. Client side fjump will be disabled. “tkfjump” will disable kfjump. 2.mqwcl users will need to add “–noscripts” to their cmd-line. This will disable a client side fjump script. Ktpro will also detect “-noscripts” and not allow them to use kfjump, regardless of whether the server has enabled or disabled kfjump Please stop claiming that it is not possible to effectively ban fjump scripts. It has been possible for a very log time |
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Even with -noscripts you can make a rj alias in mqwcl because of an obscure command that is still left in it and about which azazello just didnt know. |
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rjump or an frjump? Even so it would make it a lot easier to enforce such a ban. Seeing as a lot of ppl are using fq, Jus perm ban the ones using the exploit |
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just make a nqr.cfg that contains only +jump , +attack and +forward. then make everyone use it or get banned. |
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It does matter if you ban it, if you ban it, no one except someone stupid enough like znappe would use it and suffer from penalties. There's just no need to remove it from ktpro och the clients. |
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Not like there's a clientside protection from fakenicking, is there? But that rule is there... even though it takes admin time to check it. Having to check a demo from a clan that complaints (complete with the exact MM:SS time in the demo that it's spotted) would take about 5 minutes tops. Maybe a bit more if your connection is slow on downloading the demo. I'm still waiting for a good argument for allowing frjump. |
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znappe your posts are so funny, not. If you don't anything to say why even bother post some pointless shit? |
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| the good argument is you avoid a lot of whining when you not disallowe it :-) | ||||
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| TryM: ye go ahead and update the fuhquake -ruleset smackdown now. we're waiting. | ||||
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and, if such a ban on rj scripts was introduced and the only way checking if someone is using one or not is watching a demo ppl would start making custom home-made frj scripts with a small "mouse" movement imitating a manual rj. |
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glad to see that zak would have been forced to play in div 2 if i would have joined them but when link does its ok to stay in div 3.... nice |
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well jkova, let me see one of those custom home-made frj scripts which imitates manual rj's... :) Perhaps they are possible to make without someone noticing, but I seriously doubt it. On the zak-part you're correct though, Link sucks ass and fah-q doesn't. |
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One step in the right direction would be removing or at least disable the kfjump-feature in ktpro. It doesn?t even simulate any possible rocketjumps done manually, which I consider cheating. |
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apokalyplze: well it kinda does...kfjump just makes the 180' turning phase so fast that you cant even notice, compared to manual handmade swings :) skillz skillz.. im anxious to see how this discussion ends or does it atall. maybe a new news post will eventually make ppl forget it..and that news could be like start playing your games! if ppl are just too bored and they got nothing else to do than whine here :E |
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Oh pls. dont write new news, and dont close this thread, i would die in boredom without it:( |
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It's good to have scripts allowed. Now all the shit clans have excuses for losing to the good teams. |
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Scripts that imitate manual rj would probably be more error prone and not as useful (if somebody would script one that imitates a manual rj) . Some scripters would maybe start rjumping manually instead of bothering to script those :) |
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If one guy scripts it, the other guy doesn't need to make one and just copies his script. eZ. |
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| 300 posts of whine Icce, you better do what the community wants ;) | ||||
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blob u cunt.. the reason why im making these really important posts (!) is because this whole fucking argument is POINTLESS u r all so fucking stupid.. just play and shut the fuck up retards.. and angua, my ass is still waiting for that kiss u promised.. |
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alias quickleft "cl_yawspeed 25700;+left;wait;-left;cl_yawspeed 125" alias +rj "-forward;quickleft;+back;+jump;impulse 7;+attack;wait;-attack;-jump;impulse 2;quickleft;-back" |
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| ooOO sure can :<<<<<<<<<<<<< | ||||
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i agree that rj's should be banned, my brother ( who is 9 ) tryed to rj over the garden wall at my grandparents house and he blew himself to pieces :((((( |
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ahahahhahahhah; USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISC!!!!!!! :D .. lets just put a warningsign on every server ;))))))))))) (and gardens hehe) |
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my grandmother had to clean up his body parts :(((( we are still missing a foot and an arm |
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i dont really care about the scripting issue, what bothers me is that some people are trying to discuss this intelligently (menthol, apo to name a few) , but they get dismissed by retardlike comments when all the anti-script dudes want is a good reason |
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"><(((('>" thanks for the nostalgia gaz :) i'd forgotten about that |
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There are this two gangs, one of them did not want to play with scripts and the other loved scripts. to be continued |
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fifi: in quakeworld-world, trying to start and/or maintain a civil and meaninful discussion is considered "whining", "taking the game too seriously" and often also "lol u cunt fuck". GG i suppose. |
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I agree with the rest of the lamers, no jump script ;-). The way I see it, is that if you can't do it manually it should not be allowed. |
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| the bastards from hell got 2 players? gg | ||||
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Scripting or not scripting has nothing to do with idiot/kiddy comments. These kind of people are in both groups. |
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