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vs. Postal-Justice 
vs. Veterans =V= 
vs. Clan MalFunction 
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We in crew believe it would be good with a little reminder for all clans concerning the use of MM3 in their games.
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| Almost impossible to check if someone of the team is on ventrilo/TS as well? | ||||
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maybe lock spectators to a certain team and disable freeview should be easy to fix serverside i think. that way spectators of the playing clan can only watch their own team atleast |
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But what if someone has name unnamed or does a nice fancy name and joins the TS/vent server :)? |
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All you need are some unbiased, truthful, and dedicated voicecomm police who can understand whatever language the clan is using, but I'm sure no one would want to waste their time with it. |
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if u want no voice "cheat" then in nqr games shouldnt be allowed any specs, that including cams, admins etc. :) and no1 cant tell whos superhidden ts/vent servers clans are using :) so i think all should just 4get this talking about what should do and stuff.. DO SOMETHING OR DONT :< ps. i dont care :XXX |
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klich? klich? klich? and some more klich?s (not the clan) |
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| NO SPECS every clan in 3a is ghosting and have div1 players ;DDD not olw ofc | ||||
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| this wont work...ppl will use other methods | ||||
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| just set maxspectators to 1 and have a autotrack cam | ||||
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eh yes xantom.. but.. autotrack also tracks 'the other team'. there can be valuable information to be gathered and reported aswell. |
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| Ban all spectators. | ||||
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| oh plz :P | ||||
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its just a game i dont think there are a lot of ppl who cheats in qw nowadays anyway |
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you can get pretty much all information you need to coach a team by just following a single of any one of the players POVs and watching the deathmessages, teamchat and a timer closely. And there's no way you can disable (much less check) that. |
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i really dont care if people want to cheat in div1. hopefully there are people in each clan that would not agree with it anyway. |
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u cant prevent a clan of cheating whit that!!! we in fnu got our own ventrilo server and we have password on that and can WHEN ever we want cheat.. but we never even get close to that thought! and I really dont think no one does that!! there r always 1-2 ppl in each community! but I dont care about that so much.... some ppl play on lans and the fifth guy could eazly spec and tell everything, but I dont care come to QHLAN and then lets see if ur clan is the best, its equal then, 13 ping to everyone and no cheating :) |
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yes it is true that it's impossible for us admins to watch every ts or ventrilo chan in the world and see who's on what channel. the point is anyway that if you do use some kinda voicecheat in nqr games (or any games for that matter!) you should be ashamed. |
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the problem is why would anyone tell the admins they are using voice coms when they cheat?! not that u can't watch every ts or ventrilo =D |
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| /disable Ghosting | ||||
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could a delay be implemented into the cam ? this way the admin could see the match realtime but the spectator would be delayed by 1 or so minute and could not give any useful information |
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when qtv comes (when ever it comes) it will have deley, or so I hope with live commentating :) |
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Just record the TS/Ventrilo chat from any one players machine, or via the server, or via another person just sitting in the TS channel with no mic. That should solve any and all disputes. JAMS have done it before just incase. |
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| :) just force everyone to use qizmo voice? | ||||
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even with a spectator delay for QTV it will still be possible to look at the same screen as a player and get most information from there. but it would make it a bit more difficult. |
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but looking at the same screen as the player would not give any additional info? :) |
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as i said earlier, if it was possible for a team to decide who is allowed to spec them (like in q3) Atleast the worst part of the cheat could be removed |
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I think not many people are cheating with TS/ventrilo, perhaps sometimes with prac when they are bored. |
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| OBEY THE RULES?!?! | ||||
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qw.nu hosts ts servers for some clans that only allow 4 players per channel... wouldnt it be easiest, to make a rule that if a team wants to play with voice it should be on such a server where it can be controlled?! |
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| I pity the fools who feel it's necessary to cheat in order to win an nqr match. | ||||
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i agree with menth0l, but is it necessary to use voice communications to win an nqr game aswell?, say_team . |
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son: at least the following clan chans have maxclients more than 4 on that qw.nu ts server: boefje fom poff suddendeath tot vvv |
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well i just figured they'd all have 4 like us :o maybe then the admin can restrict those servers during games? |
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Just record it. If one team thinks that the other one was cheating then just send the .wav to them |
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cant we have a button up there that sais MORE and we can then see all the games played? |
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| Rules is rules (c) jezaja | ||||
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| limey :< | ||||
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Tricky problem indeed, one advanced solution would be some kind of delaying for the spectators, like if one cam is allowed the spectating is delayed 2-3 min, would deal with the cheat problem, though people would spectate the games 3 min delayed (kinda cool though ..:p) |
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mm3 stinks!!!! let's say clan A uses $randomshitprogram for voice comm and an admin is on it too who understands the language and understands all the teamtalk etc....everything appears fair. well, what if all 4 players are logged in as clients on ANOTHER $randomshitprogram, there together with a teampartner who specs and he is the only one who gives information. the players only listen there but talk on the other, admin supervised program. sorry, mm3 stinks, it can ruin games and it opens the possibility for cheating which isn't controllable. |
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| tot uses its own server andy. only way to make it safe is spec 0. | ||||
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| QTV seems dead :( | ||||
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spectators 0 or qwtv. Nothing else will fix this problem. As long as qtv is dead we'll just have to trust the opponent team. I think spectators 0 isn't a real option. |
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You could write a program to record all audio and force the teams to run it during the match (needs to be all audio, or they could just record the 'clean' vent server while all ghosting is on teamspeak or whatever). Of course, if you had two sound cards you could keep your game and clean vcomm on one and ghosting on the other. Theres always ways around everything, until qtv comes out, theres not much you can do. |
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How do you stop clans who are @ lan from having a fifth guy speccing and giving info to team? Same shit different name. |
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| ps first comment :< | ||||
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i guess this is up to the players NOT to cheat ppl who thinks its fun to win when they cheat are quite a few i guess we can only hope that the cheaters are few |
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Let's create a real Quake WORLD where all Quakers can live happily from this day. Everyone would have 13ms and noone would be able to cheat, what an utopia! Btw, cheaters are retarded. Btw2, JbQ are looking for members. |
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| i don?t think u may add more members :/ | ||||
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I don't care, we need members anyway. it sucks when it's like three weeks between each prac. :< |
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Even with speactators 0 theres no way to stop lan teams from having coaching. I'm not really that bothered anyway, theres always the possibility on the internet that the people you are playing cheat and there are much worse things they can do than abuse voice comms. |
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We cheated with ghosting once in a prac against lithium like 3 years ago. After they owned us first map we decided to have one guy just spec jon and report his position, status etc and then all of us just tried to hunt him down, worked pretty good actually (we still lost, but iirc he had more deaths than at least two of our guys =) |
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| hej hej monika! | ||||
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didnt know it was a problem.. and i dont think its is.. and i wouldnt care if it was.. dont make it a problem when its not! ?hh sen kanske allting blir svart?... eller ja vet inte... |
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| LOL LORN | ||||
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| brittney: Jag tycker han ska f? ett straff, skulle han inte bli f?rv?nad d | ||||
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| gaz <3 | ||||
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| this will not be solved anyway | ||||
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| pattah <3 | ||||
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OLW! Jag ?r borta ?ver helgen, ska hem lite! =) |
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what is qtv ? |
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qtv is similar to qizmo: you connect to the qtv ip where you can watch every pov of a match being broadcasted through that qtv. they got this working in q3 for years now and also in other games. the broadcast can be deliberately delayed by several seconds or even minutes to prevent mm3 cheating. this way the other game communities also manage to syncronize their shoutcast coverage. |
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L?gg ner skiten nu. Fattar inte hur ni orkar h?lla p? och tjata om s? orelevanta saker? Men keep up the good work and win NHL!! |
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even if there is no spec on the server.. one player (whos in the game) can still play by a public qizmo and by that qizmo ppl can spec.. not the same as a real spec but still much info to talk about in vent/TS.. cant be banned, dont even try.. |
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i agree with gamer.bring on qwtv! Currently it comes down to a question of honour....and all who are truly manly and strong wouldn't want to be thought of as not honorable. |
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is there some command to lock spec? Imo qw is just too fast to report throu voice comm, but then again, i camp a lot and i move slowly :) I don't think it's posible to controle voice comm, if i remember there is a check box in ventrilo saying "Allow record my conversation?" dunno if it works tho. |
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nqr suck bla bla bla qw sucks... everyone sucks bla bla and it is my brithday today, 21years old :P |
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se upp f?r slackers... dom har mm3 cheat... para och crazymac ?r juh rumkompisar... s? crazymac kan faka lr eller s? och specca *host*para ? la sk?rmtittande p? qhlan 3, p? vallas & znappes sk?rmar *host*.. |
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lala |
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just allow it so every1 is allowed to cheat on mm3 games will be much tighter this way :) |
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| Cool man I am! | ||||
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| Yes U R ! | ||||
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wtf so sad |
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| Their should be a rule about admins abusing their +o ( @ ) in the #nqr channel. | ||||
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Since admins dont follow the fakenicking rules, why should they behave on irc? (osams and fragomatic) =( |
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zzz horatio? you're like a stuck record. i'd appreciate you telling me how exactly *i* am breaking the fakenicking rules. |
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Having a 'coach' player sucks anyway, so who in their right mind would bother. QW is a very open game - with 4 players on the map reporting, there is very little need for a 5th. |
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haha gaz, not you exactly but your team does... and don?t begin to talk about "changing nicks" and such cuz thats simply not true, just look in the irc channel... |
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dak, you are completely wrong, when my brother was over at my place playing a mixed game, just to test i coached him from my comp and he owned the game and that was not even with any real teamplay in his team... |
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Osams is a clan made up mostly of real life friends so some use their real name on irc instead of their QW nick... |
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but most of them are still known to the community as steppa, greken, thompen etc etc :/ |
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Where is the contract telling what qw nick who has? This is wm times 10000000. If everyone know who it is, then whats the problem? Like the pir8? I think the admins have a 6 sence(spelling?), that make them see problems that we "normal" players don?t see. So admins, when you think there is a new problem, ask someone before you start to make the "adminsworld" |
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well now when we have the "rule" , i think its kinda lame that teams containing admins still uses fakers =) i was against this rule first, thinking it was fun with themes and funny nicks, you still know who it is if they have to put their "realnick" after.... i am still pro-themes |
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| I'd like to know who appointed Horatio to the NQR watchdog committee. | ||||
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why use TS? it just screws up your reflexes. your mind is on what the others say instead of the game, but thats just what i think... |
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Apparently, some humans have the ability to use their ears and hands at the same time. |
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=) i just state my opinions gaz |
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enemy toalettborste, an autocam on each popular 4on4 server would be good(and on the 1on1, 2on2 ;), delay or not. hate when i cant spec :(( offtopic omg |
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| Play the game and do not cheat. | ||||
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Horatio, that's BECAUSE there was no real teamplay in his team. Trust me on this, as when I've specced some pracs with GTG and listened to our voicechat, there's like NOTHING I could've added that was worth saying. They report all that's necessary on their own, and as such, there's no need for a coach. Yes, in a team with lesser teamplay it might matter, but you can't really hide things in QW at the top levels. |
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so coaching would do quite alot in lower divs then... that would be as much cheating as in div1-2... but i get the point though dak |
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But dak, if you have a fift player like a spectator who is telling when enemy-rl/quad and so on are weak, it can help alot? Or if you are trying to take out cellar for example, the spec can tell how weak he is or if he has like no rockets left. That must help even div1 clans? (sorry for my bad english) |
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Whenever an enemy player takes damage one from our team will already be there. He'll already know about how injured an enemy is by how well he hit that enemy / how much that enemy bored. To tell the truth, the only time a coach could let anyone in his team know that an enemy is weak somewhere is when the enemy is clumpsy (kills himself, jumps into lava, etc) or hurt by a teammate for no reason. Obviously that's a pretty rare occasion, wouldn't you say? |
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| thats nonsense imo, u never know exactly how healthy anyone is | ||||
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dak, what about the amont of ammo the enemy got then? And what way the enemyquad takes. I promise you, you get help from a coatch that is spectating. |
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i think mm3 is good but coach is the goodest |
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